Bishops Say Rules on Gay Parents Limit Freedom of Religion

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Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids

Oct 17, 2010
Schumm concluded that children of lesbian parents identified themselves as gay 31 percent of the time; children of gay men had gay children 19 percent of the time, and children of a lesbian mother and gay father had at least one gay child 25 percent of the time.
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Furthermore, when the study restricted the results so that they included only children in their 20s – presumably after they’d been able to work out any adolescent confusion or experimentation – 58 percent of the children of lesbians called themselves gay, and 33 percent of the children of gay men called themselves gay. (About 5 to 10 percent of the children of straight parents call themselves gay, Schumm says.)
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Schumm next went macro, poring over an anthropological study of various cultures’ acceptance of homosexuality. He found that when communities welcome gays and lesbians, “89 percent feature higher rates of homosexual behavior.”
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Finally, Schumm looked at the existing academic studies, the ones used to pillory Cameron’s work. In all there are 26 such studies. Schumm ran the numbers from them and concluded that, surprisingly, 20 percent of the kids of gay parents were gay themselves. When children only 17 or older were included in the analysis, 28 percent were gay.
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Oblaidon said:
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This was predicted to happen.
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Look, is this really their fault? If I had to pick someone to blame, I would be unsure of whether to blame LGBT advocacy fantatics or mercenary politicians more.

I really don’t think the individual homosexual is to blame, or even the homosexual couple. If I had to choose what sort of political actor would take 3rd place for this, it would be weak-willed Catholics unwilling to join the discussion IRL (i.e., not Catholic-friendly forae like CAF) and express our viewpoint in an agreeable fashion.
 
FYI, titles of threads in the News section should be the title of the article.
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
nytimes.com/2011/12/29/us/for-bishops-a-battle-over-whose-rights-prevail.html

What do you think? I can find no justification for the Catholic Church to deny same sex couples the right to adopt or foster children through their social services programs. Does the Catholic church deny couples that use contraception the right to be foster parents or adopt children also? I think the Church is wrong for taking this position.
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I think that the Church is correct. How can the Church expect that a child going into a home such as this will be raised Catholic when the most basic element of what a family is does not exist there?
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
I can find no justification for the Catholic Church to deny same sex couples the right to adopt or foster children through their social services programs.
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You talk about “the right to adopt or foster children”, but I think there’s a bit of a problem in your thinking here. People might have the liberty to adopt/foster children - this isn’t the same as a right because the latter involves a duty on others to ensure those people can enjoy that privilege.

When it comes to adoption/foster care, the only right involved is the right of a child to be brought up by the best possible adoptive parents. This should almost certainly mean both a mother and a father.
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
nytimes.com/2011/12/29/us/for-bishops-a-battle-over-whose-rights-prevail.html

What do you think? I can find no justification for the Catholic Church to deny same sex couples the right to adopt or foster children through their social services programs. Does the Catholic church deny couples that use contraception the right to be foster parents or adopt children also? I think the Church is wrong for taking this position.
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I think that you ought to use the title of the article as the title of the thread, per CAF rules.

In this case, the title of the article is, Bishops Say Rules on Gay Parents Limit Freedom of Religion​

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith explicitly opposed these actions in 2003:

As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

In 1992, the CDF stated:
  1. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.
The Church is to do nothing to provide any indication that homosexual tendencies are in any way normal or acceptable. Back in 1986, the CDF wrote:

Nevertheless, increasing numbers of people today, even within the Church, are bringing enormous pressure to bear on the Church to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered and to condone homosexual activity. Those within the Church who argue in this fashion often have close ties with those with similar views outside it. These latter groups are guided by a vision opposed to the truth about the human person, which is fully disclosed in the mystery of Christ. They reflect, even if not entirely consciously, a materialistic ideology which denies the transcendent nature of the human person as well as the supernatural vocation of every individual.

The Church’s ministers must ensure that homosexual persons in their care will not be misled by this point of view, so profoundly opposed to the teaching of the Church. But the risk is great and there are many who seek to create confusion regarding the Church’s position, and then to use that confusion to their own advantage.
Allowing the adoption of children by those with deep-seated homosexual tendencies, particularly those who have fallen into this deception so deeply as to simulate marriage with a “partner”, would be granting that immoral behavior ecclesiastical sanction.

And we can go on.

You may not agree with the teaching of the Church on this matter. This may be due to lack of study or some other reason, but I would encourage you to fully read the Magisterial documents above (along with the 1975 Declaration covering many issues of sexual ethics, including homosexuality) for a more complete overview.
 
NewEnglandPries said:
FYI, titles of threads in the News section should be the title of the article.
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No kidding - yet over and over the practice is not observed.
I’ve complained about it (re specific threads) many times.
Why aren’t the moderators watching for this?
It’s as if many threads are now opened with an “editorial” headline.

I find it truly infuriating.
 
Actual title of linked article is this:

**Bishops say rules on gay parents limit freedom of religion **
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
nytimes.com/2011/12/29/us/for-bishops-a-battle-over-whose-rights-prevail.html

What do you think? I can find no justification for the Catholic Church to deny same sex couples the right to adopt or foster children through their social services programs. Does the Catholic church deny couples that use contraception the right to be foster parents or adopt children also? I think the Church is wrong for taking this position.
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There is no such right, so no, they are not wrong to deny it.

The two issues you raise are totally nonequivalent. That a couple may be sinners (and we are all sinners) is not what’s at issue here. A couple being ontologically incapable of parenthood is.
 
I believe they would also deny couples who are cohabitating to adopt.

Why shouldn’t an adoption agency have the right to define suitable standards for adoption?
 
If I could change the title I would.

I hope I didn’t upset you guys for not following the rules. I have to plead ignorance of the rules of this forum.
 
This seems like all of the fuss going on with Cardinal George right now about how the Gay Pride movement is similar to the KKK. How correct he is! Both of these groups seek to suplant their agenda of sin while trying to silence those who question them.

The mainstream media assult on Catholic church continues. In the name of discrimination and bigotry, Jesus Christ and His Church are the ones being persecuted once more. Meanwhile the fallacy known as Islam gets a free pass.
 
Barbkw said:
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Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids

Oct 17, 2010
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Here is my problem with the article. It doesn’t make clear if his study was on the biological children of people with SSA or if it was a study of children being raised by two men or two women. It seems logical that kids modeled the gay lifestyle by being raised by two same sex adults would have a higher rate of identifying as such themselves.
 
So what happens when they demand that Catholic hospitals euthanize and abort and sterilize and all kinds of other immoral things. The hospitals take medicaid and medicare, government money. Does that mean that they have no right to their own moral choices? It seems that people can choose where they want to spend their government money, but the government is using it’s power to force a new religion on everyone.

Does everyone on Social Security give up their right to practice their religion? The road is slippery.
 
Thankfully those adoption and foster care organizations that take government money to promote their businesses MUST adhere to the laws governing our nation…and right now…and something not likely to change in the near future…CANNOT discriminate against persons of same sex orientation when adopting children…THANKFULLY anti-discrimination laws are for the most part enforced. THANK GOD.
 
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