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RevDrNorth
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Too funny
It is sad that many Catholic universities are getting away from Catholic orthodoxy. That is something the Cardinal Newman Society seeks to address:
cardinalnewmansociety.org/
(Bishop's statement on) The decision to allow performances of Vagina Monologues at Notre Dame
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It is sad that many Catholic universities are getting away from Catholic orthodoxy. That is something the Cardinal Newman Society seeks to address:
cardinalnewmansociety.org/
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Phemie
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What offended me most about this play is that the author didn’t even know what a vagina is.
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He_Man
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Of course they can. They simply choose not to.
The University can do almost anything they choose to over a wide range of limitations and freedoms. Notre Dame is culpable with the promotion of this trash.
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NewUlm1976_2000
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Actually, the academic diversity of the Universities and Colleges are what make them so great. An enforced uniformity takes away from the academic exploration students do in their college years. Being exposed to the VM is just one way they can read, study, and really understand sexual issues like these. That is why they are being offered and should not be suppressed.Too funny
It is sad that many Catholic universities are getting away from Catholic orthodoxy. That is something the Cardinal Newman Society seeks to address:
cardinalnewmansociety.org/
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Naztakuan
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srysly? lol
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He_Man
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The VM is lewd trash that has no place in a “Catholic” University like Notre Dame. Luckily, your opinion of its acceptability isn’t shared by most Catholic scholars, theologians, or religious members.
The logic you posed can be used to defend anything, I assume you have issue with mandated pornography watching in colleges as well? Diversity is important, after all.
There is a difference between diversity and deviance.
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NewUlm1976_2000
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Sexual topics are always extremely difficult to discuss in today’s world. The VM is not porn, students will eventually encounter the sexual issues in the VM sometime later in life. It is better to discuss them in a enivornment they can have their questions answered rather than have to go through underground channels to get the information or get caught with unawareness in the future.
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brockmac
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Artistic talents, be they the ability to paint, sculpt, dance, sing, act, or otherwise create or perform are gifts from God. As such, these gifts should be used to glorify, praise, and honor Him. It is my contention that the VM’s do not do this, but rather mock the gift of sexuality.
Univerisities are places where diverse opinions should be openly discussed. However Catholic universities should be just that. Catholic universities. The overarching theme of all academic and artistic pursuits at a Catholic university should be fidelity to the faith. Otherwise the title Catholic university is misleading. If a university promotes fornication, adultary, homosexuality, contraception and masturbation, it has no business calling itself Catholic. It is my understanding that this particular “play”, depending on the specific production or performance addresses all of these ideas in a positive light. As such I don’t see how it should be shown on a Catholic campus, particularly one named for the mother of our Lord.
Ultimately, Catholic universities (and arguably all universities)should strive to elevate the culture, not to debase it. We do not need universities ot debase the culture, we have TV and movie theaters that do plenty of that. As I see it, this play does not elevate the culture, nor honor God, nor respect the human person created in His image. As such I see no justification for it being performed on a Catholic university campus.
Univerisities are places where diverse opinions should be openly discussed. However Catholic universities should be just that. Catholic universities. The overarching theme of all academic and artistic pursuits at a Catholic university should be fidelity to the faith. Otherwise the title Catholic university is misleading. If a university promotes fornication, adultary, homosexuality, contraception and masturbation, it has no business calling itself Catholic. It is my understanding that this particular “play”, depending on the specific production or performance addresses all of these ideas in a positive light. As such I don’t see how it should be shown on a Catholic campus, particularly one named for the mother of our Lord.
Ultimately, Catholic universities (and arguably all universities)should strive to elevate the culture, not to debase it. We do not need universities ot debase the culture, we have TV and movie theaters that do plenty of that. As I see it, this play does not elevate the culture, nor honor God, nor respect the human person created in His image. As such I see no justification for it being performed on a Catholic university campus.
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He_Man
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Now you’ve changed the argument. It went from colleges should embrace diversity of thought and not infringe on the breadth of discussion to “the VM isn’t porn.” Which is it?
What happened to the original argument you made, which would encourage the viewing of pornography and violent acts to children to be displayed in classes? Defend that, don’t change your position now.
Also, how do you know it isn’t porn? Define porn.
Also also, I’ve got two masters degrees, a bachelors degree, all from 3 different universities, lived in a fraternity, I flew planes in the military, lived around the world, and I am 33 years old. And I’ve haven’t encountered the garbage they talk about in the VM. Look around; there are people more learned and experienced than me who haven’t been exposed to kind of garbage. It all depends on the circles you trvael in, and as a conservative Catholic, I don’t travel in the feminist, anti-man, glorify sex culture that the VM espouses. The notion that they are going to encounter it anyway is A) not true and B) foolish on principle. Why not have people come in and gives talks espousing hate speech against minorities in class? I have seen that in the real world.
Might as well kill ourselves, since we are going to die one day, right?
And you act as though the **** in the VM is worth discussion.
I’d put it somewhere between a Jack Chick pamphlet and a Maragaret Cho swimusit calendar in terms of viewing worthiness.
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Phemie
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OH yeah! As I was reading the script and I was saying out loud “For Pete’s sake, woman, have you never seen an anatomy book? Don’t you know the proper names for the parts of your own body???” In the movie based on the book she makes fun of older women who say they have never seen their vagina. To which I exclaimed “How many of us have? It would require a speculum and great agility – or at the minimum a speculum and a mirror.”
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Peeb
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I respectfully disagree. This is not a topic that is being discussed in a controlled classroom environment with a skilled professor acting as a moderator. This is just trash being promulgated under the blessings of (what should be) our greatest Catholic university in the USA.
It is simply wrong.
If students need to be “exposed” to sexuality, try Christopher West’s treatise on JPII’s Theology of the Body.
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lucybeebee
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The idea that universities are there to help students “think for themselves” or “explore diversity” is a concept that only came about in the 1950s or 1960s. Traditionally, the purpose of a university was to conserve society’s knowledge so it could be passed on to the next generation. This was done by the “forced uniformity” of the trivium (grammar, logic, rhetoric) and the quadrivium (geometry, arithmetic, music, astronomy), the original liberal arts. Once students were well-grounded in the previously held knowledge, they could formulate their own ideas. The confusion as to the true purpose of a liberal arts education has created a culturally illiterate citizenry who think that The Simpsons are on par with The Odyssey.
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dandn5000
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Yeah, I’m with Bishop D’Arcy on this one. Notre Dame is widely renowned as one of the best Catholic universities in the country(of course, this could just because I happen to live within this diocese…), and to allow performances of this kind of throws the whole university down a notch.
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Rach620
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Or, as a friend of mine said, “I don’t have to actually eat borax in order to know that it will kill me.”
I think that it fits the circumstances better.
I’m an ND student. The fact that this event is labeled as an “academic” one is ludicrous. The “academic” way to encounter a play is to read it in the classroom. That is not what happened here. What happened here was a performance of a disgusting play that is even antiquated in its perspectives on feminism.
Supposedly it was justified by the fact that it was followed by an “academic panel” which would “contextualize” the material within the Catholic Tradition. Ha! I went to the academic panel yesterday–I would guess that 90% of the audience who was there for the performance left before the panel began, and thus did not hear the “sympathetic Catholic viewpoint” which Fr. Jenkins mandated.
It’s a shame.
However, yesterday there was a student protest of the play. A group of about 20-30 ND students took seats in the front of the auditorium, and got up and left in a group after the first monologue. They proceeded to the Grotto to pray a rosary, while others tonight and during the two other performances this week are going to be praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament on campus for chastity, modesty, the Catholic identity of the University, and the intentions of our President and Bishop.
For more information, visit irishwatchdog.blogspot.com, the website of a Catholic conservative paper serving the University of Notre Dame which is unaffiliated with the school. They have a video of the walkout protest posted there.
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Scottgun
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Thanks for that link! Didn’t know anything about it. I’ll put it on my blog.
A poster on another blog said this and I think it makes a good litmus test for what goes on at a Catholic University (in the context, it was about homosexualist groups on Catholic campuses:
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