Bishops' synod ponders reform of rules, as secretive meeting eyes reform of pastoral care [CNA]

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...ew_via_Flickr_CC_BY_SA_20_CNA_5_26_15.jpgRome, Italy, May 26, 2015 / 03:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- While the Synod of Bishops’ ordinary council gathered to discuss the upcoming Synod on the Family this week, a private group of bishops and experts convened behind closed doors in Rome to consider the most controversial issues at the synod, particularly support of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.

Pope Francis chaired the May 25-26 meeting of the Ordinary Council of the Synod of Bishops, which is preparing for this October’s synod on “the vocation and mission of the family in the Church and in contemporary world.”

The council, meeting at the Vatican, examined the synod’s instrumentum laboris, or working document, which was produced by last year’s Synod of Bishops, and integrated it with the responses to questions which were sent to dioceses worldwide.

“An extensive and detailed study of the text has generated proposals and contributions for its integration and improvement,” the Vatican Information Service noted, adding that the working document’s final text will be prepared and translated by the Secretariat General within the next few weeks.

The council also considered modifications to the synod’s modus operandi.

The Synod of Bishops’ secretary general, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri – who was appointed in September 2013 – had changed the synod’s working rules.

Prior to Cardinal Baldisseri’s leadership, the synod had provided summaries in many languages of each scheduled intervention from the synod fathers.

That system was suppressed under Cardinal Baldisseri, replaced with a brief summary presented daily by Holy See press officer Fr. Federico Lombardi.

In the face of criticism that this change negatively affected the synod’s transparency, Cardinal Baldisseri claimed that “information is provided by a verbal summary” and is transparent, and that synod fathers were “not forbidden to speak to the press,” though they were prohibited from publishing their interventions, as any synod text “is property of the synod.”

On the other hand, the impossibility of seeing the extent of the discussion within the synod paved the way for media speculation.

This autumn’s synod may re-present the same dynamic, given that while the Synod of Bishops’ ordinary council was meeting, a “shadow council” held a closed-door meeting regarding the most contentious issues of the Synod on the Family, which include approval of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.

The May 25 discussion was held in a conference center of the Jesuit-run Pontifical Gregorian University – though the meeting itself was not managed by the university. Bishops and theologians spoke before a select audience of 50, according to French daily Le Figaro.

The conference was called the “Mutual Convention of the French, German and Swiss Bishops Conferences concerning the issues of the pastoral care of marriage and family at the eve of the Synod of Bishops.”

The meeting was not in fact for all the bishops of the interested countries, but only for some of them – while others were not even informed of the meeting.

Among the speakers at the meeting were Bishop Jean-Marie Lovey of Sion; Bishop Jean-Luc Brunin of Le Havre; the theologian Eva Maria Faber; Anne-Marie Pelletier, who won the 2014 Ratzinger Prize for Theology; Fr. François Xavier Amherdt, professor of pastoral theology at the University of Freiburg; Eberhard Schockenhoff, professor of moral theology in Freiburg; and the theologian Alain Thomasset.

The final remarks were given by Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich and Freising.

One person who took part in the discussion stressed to CNA May 26 that “the tune was that of a pastoral opening on issues such as communion for the divorced and remarried, and the pastoral care of homosexuals.”

One of the speakers, who asked to be kept anonymous, refused to comment on the purpose of the conference and the tone of the discussion, as “it is unfortunately forbidden to us by the organizers to give any interview or explanation about yesterday’s conference.”

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...ew_via_Flickr_CC_BY_SA_20_CNA_5_26_15.jpgRome, Italy, May 26, 2015 / 03:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- While the Synod of Bishops’ ordinary council gathered to discuss the upcoming Synod on the Family this week, a private group of bishops and experts convened behind closed doors in Rome to consider the most controversial issues at the synod, particularly support of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.

Pope Francis chaired the May 25-26 meeting of the Ordinary Council of the Synod of Bishops, which is preparing for this October’s synod on “the vocation and mission of the family in the Church and in contemporary world.”

The council, meeting at the Vatican, examined the synod’s instrumentum laboris, or working document, which was produced by last year’s Synod of Bishops, and integrated it with the responses to questions which were sent to dioceses worldwide.

“An extensive and detailed study of the text has generated proposals and contributions for its integration and improvement,” the Vatican Information Service noted, adding that the working document’s final text will be prepared and translated by the Secretariat General within the next few weeks.

The council also considered modifications to the synod’s modus operandi.

The Synod of Bishops’ secretary general, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri – who was appointed in September 2013 – had changed the synod’s working rules.

Prior to Cardinal Baldisseri’s leadership, the synod had provided summaries in many languages of each scheduled intervention from the synod fathers.

That system was suppressed under Cardinal Baldisseri, replaced with a brief summary presented daily by Holy See press officer Fr. Federico Lombardi.

In the face of criticism that this change negatively affected the synod’s transparency, Cardinal Baldisseri claimed that “information is provided by a verbal summary” and is transparent, and that synod fathers were “not forbidden to speak to the press,” though they were prohibited from publishing their interventions, as any synod text “is property of the synod.”

On the other hand, the impossibility of seeing the extent of the discussion within the synod paved the way for media speculation.

This autumn’s synod may re-present the same dynamic, given that while the Synod of Bishops’ ordinary council was meeting, a “shadow council” held a closed-door meeting regarding the most contentious issues of the Synod on the Family, which include approval of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.

The May 25 discussion was held in a conference center of the Jesuit-run Pontifical Gregorian University – though the meeting itself was not managed by the university. Bishops and theologians spoke before a select audience of 50, according to French daily Le Figaro.

The conference was called the “Mutual Convention of the French, German and Swiss Bishops Conferences concerning the issues of the pastoral care of marriage and family at the eve of the Synod of Bishops.”

The meeting was not in fact for all the bishops of the interested countries, but only for some of them – while others were not even informed of the meeting.

Among the speakers at the meeting were Bishop Jean-Marie Lovey of Sion; Bishop Jean-Luc Brunin of Le Havre; the theologian Eva Maria Faber; Anne-Marie Pelletier, who won the 2014 Ratzinger Prize for Theology; Fr. François Xavier Amherdt, professor of pastoral theology at the University of Freiburg; Eberhard Schockenhoff, professor of moral theology in Freiburg; and the theologian Alain Thomasset.

The final remarks were given by Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich and Freising.

One person who took part in the discussion stressed to CNA May 26 that “the tune was that of a pastoral opening on issues such as communion for the divorced and remarried, and the pastoral care of homosexuals.”

One of the speakers, who asked to be kept anonymous, refused to comment on the purpose of the conference and the tone of the discussion, as “it is unfortunately forbidden to us by the organizers to give any interview or explanation about yesterday’s conference.”

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Do the forum rules permit articles based on anonymous tips and so-called secret back-door sessions that there’s no evidence happened? I am genuinely surprised at the poor quality of this article, I expect more from EWTN.
 
Do the forum rules permit articles based on anonymous tips and so-called secret back-door sessions that there’s no evidence happened? I am genuinely surprised at the poor quality of this article, I expect more from EWTN.
The article is from a news bot, so the post is not the product of a direct human intervention. You can always report it to the moderators if you take issue with it.
 
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...ew_via_Flickr_CC_BY_SA_20_CNA_5_26_15.jpgRome, Italy, May 26, 2015 / 03:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- While the Synod of Bishops’ ordinary council gathered to discuss the upcoming Synod on the Family this week, a private group of bishops and experts convened behind closed doors in Rome to consider the most controversial issues at the synod, particularly support of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.

Pope Francis chaired the May 25-26 meeting of the Ordinary Council of the Synod of Bishops, which is preparing for this October’s synod on “the vocation and mission of the family in the Church and in contemporary world.”

The council, meeting at the Vatican, examined the synod’s instrumentum laboris, or working document, which was produced by last year’s Synod of Bishops, and integrated it with the responses to questions which were sent to dioceses worldwide.

“An extensive and detailed study of the text has generated proposals and contributions for its integration and improvement,” the Vatican Information Service noted, adding that the working document’s final text will be prepared and translated by the Secretariat General within the next few weeks.

The council also considered modifications to the synod’s modus operandi.

The Synod of Bishops’ secretary general, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri – who was appointed in September 2013 – had changed the synod’s working rules.

Prior to Cardinal Baldisseri’s leadership, the synod had provided summaries in many languages of each scheduled intervention from the synod fathers.

That system was suppressed under Cardinal Baldisseri, replaced with a brief summary presented daily by Holy See press officer Fr. Federico Lombardi.

In the face of criticism that this change negatively affected the synod’s transparency, Cardinal Baldisseri claimed that “information is provided by a verbal summary” and is transparent, and that synod fathers were “not forbidden to speak to the press,” though they were prohibited from publishing their interventions, as any synod text “is property of the synod.”

On the other hand, the impossibility of seeing the extent of the discussion within the synod paved the way for media speculation.

This autumn’s synod may re-present the same dynamic, given that while the Synod of Bishops’ ordinary council was meeting, a “shadow council” held a closed-door meeting regarding the most contentious issues of the Synod on the Family, which include approval of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.

The May 25 discussion was held in a conference center of the Jesuit-run Pontifical Gregorian University – though the meeting itself was not managed by the university. Bishops and theologians spoke before a select audience of 50, according to French daily Le Figaro.

The conference was called the “Mutual Convention of the French, German and Swiss Bishops Conferences concerning the issues of the pastoral care of marriage and family at the eve of the Synod of Bishops.”

The meeting was not in fact for all the bishops of the interested countries, but only for some of them – while others were not even informed of the meeting.

Among the speakers at the meeting were Bishop Jean-Marie Lovey of Sion; Bishop Jean-Luc Brunin of Le Havre; the theologian Eva Maria Faber; Anne-Marie Pelletier, who won the 2014 Ratzinger Prize for Theology; Fr. François Xavier Amherdt, professor of pastoral theology at the University of Freiburg; Eberhard Schockenhoff, professor of moral theology in Freiburg; and the theologian Alain Thomasset.

The final remarks were given by Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich and Freising.

One person who took part in the discussion stressed to CNA May 26 that “the tune was that of a pastoral opening on issues such as communion for the divorced and remarried, and the pastoral care of homosexuals.”

One of the speakers, who asked to be kept anonymous, refused to comment on the purpose of the conference and the tone of the discussion, as “it is unfortunately forbidden to us by the organizers to give any interview or explanation about yesterday’s conference.”

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Well, I wouldn’t call them " experts " in anything Catholic, I would call them dissenters - pure and simple.

Linus2nd
 
A special meeting of European bishops was not intended to organize a campaign for change in Church teaching on marriage, a spokesman for the German bishops’ conference insists.

However, participants at the closed-door meeting devoted their attention to “pastoral innovations” that might be proposed at the October meeting of the Synod of Bishops.

“I reject the thesis that the bishops have an agenda to change Church teaching,” said Matthias Kopp, the German bishops’ spokesman. He said that the bishops had a “very broad” discussion, not solely focused on homosexuality and the status of divorced and remarried Catholics.

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Is there a question as to whether this meeting actually took place?

National Catholic Register Online Article

I’m very interested in a discussion regarding the potential, even if seemingly remote, of the Catholic Church acknowledging so called same sex marriage as acceptable.

How could The Church change such a view without having to also declare that fornication or any sin of the flesh, would longer be a mortal sin since Catholics are not currently supposed to receive Holy Communion unless in a state of grace?

Also, if so called same sex marriage is accepted by the Church, how could the Church not also have to change its view on contraception?

Pater Noster
 
Is there a question as to whether this meeting actually took place?

National Catholic Register Online Article

I’m very interested in a discussion regarding the potential, even if seemingly remote, of the Catholic Church acknowledging so called same sex marriage as acceptable.

How could The Church change such a view without having to also declare that fornication or any sin of the flesh, would longer be a mortal sin since Catholics are not currently supposed to receive Holy Communion unless in a state of grace?

Also, if so called same sex marriage is accepted by the Church, how could the Church not also have to change its view on contraception?

Pater Noster
Very good question indeed. I have heard it claimed that same sex relationships can have good aspects to them. Well, so can adulterous relationships, cohabitation, friends with benefits, or any other relationship. I don’t think the Church is going to approve inherently disordered relationships of any kind. At least, I hope not.
 
JimG, you know as well as I do that the opponents of the Church are already rubbing their hands with glee at the propect of a change in doctrine which will validate their claims that if the Church was ‘wrong’ about one thing, they are probably wrong about lots of others.

Making up the rules as you go…policy on the run…inconsistency…hypocrisy…double-standards.
That’s what we accuse politics of doing. :rolleyes:
 
Bottom line is if one truth is repealed the entirety of the Faith falls. Look to the protestant churches that have fallen into the inclusion trap. They are collapsed into fraternal organizations with no real direction or purpose other than to assist one another in justifying each other’s sin. The Holy Father must reign in these Bishops and end this rediculous speculation and subversion of the Church. This silliness has gone on long enough.
 
A special meeting of European bishops was not intended to organize a campaign for change in Church teaching on marriage, a spokesman for the German bishops’ conference insists.

However, participants at the closed-door meeting devoted their attention to “pastoral innovations” that might be proposed at the October meeting of the Synod of Bishops.

“I reject the thesis that the bishops have an agenda to change Church teaching,” said Matthias Kopp, the German bishops’ spokesman. He said that the bishops had a “very broad” discussion, not solely focused on homosexuality and the status of divorced and remarried Catholics.

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Only a few media representatives attended the meeting, under ground rules stipulating that reporters could not link speakers with their comments.
If they aren’t trying to change teaching, then why were they so concerned with not having their names linked with their words?
 
If they aren’t trying to change teaching, then why were they so concerned with not having their names linked with their words?
If I wanted people to speak open and honestly I would give the press such a rule as well; otherwise you end up with the dog and pony show we can see any day on C-Span.
 
If I wanted people to speak open and honestly I would give the press such a rule as well; otherwise you end up with the dog and pony show we can see any day on C-Span.
If you want people to speak open and honestly, you don’t invite the press. 🤷
 
Or, as it would appear here, you don’t invite those who might disagree with your proposals.
That isn’t what the CWN article says. It says "Not all of the bishops from those countries participated in the discussions, and the Austrian Catholic news site Kath.net said that bishops who were deemed to be “not sympathetic” to the purposes of the meeting were not invited to participate. "

So if you are holding a meeting and you have a stated purpose for that meeting, and people don’t want you to meet for that purpose, it might be wise not invite them to the meeting so there is no disruption. Why would you invite potential hecklers? Short story is we simply don’t have enough information to, as some are doing, condemn or praise the meeting.

Also from the article, “The Polish bishops’ conference, which has generally take a strong stand in support of current Church teaching on marriage, was invited to participate in an exchange with the German bishops, but declined.”

So they were open to differing opinions about the issues.
If you want people to speak open and honestly, you don’t invite the press. 🤷
The press were invited. Looks like only a few showed up: “Only a few media representatives attended the meeting, under ground rules stipulating that reporters could not link speakers with their comments.”

We already discussed why they probably had the reasonable ground rules they did.
 
The press were invited. Looks like only a few showed up: “Only a few media representatives attended the meeting, under ground rules stipulating that reporters could not link speakers with their comments.”

We already discussed why they probably had the reasonable ground rules they did.
Ah, of course noone would ever lie to get access. 😉
 
I had thought that the discussion of these issues was the purpose of the Synod itself, yet this was “a private group of bishops and experts convened behind closed doors in Rome to consider the most controversial issues at the synod, particularly support of gay unions and Communion for the divorced and remarried.”

This was a meeting of limited participation of which all Synod participants were not even aware.

From the article:

“One of the speakers, who asked to be kept anonymous, refused to comment on the purpose of the conference and the tone of the discussion, as “it is unfortunately forbidden to us by the organizers to give any interview or explanation about yesterday’s conference.””
 
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