Bishops too involved in US Politics?

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Glad to know you know my inner deepest faith beliefs and heart and soul. Where we differ perhaps is on what and to what degree we force our faith and beliefs onto the rest of society when living in a democracy made up of many different beliefs and not in a theocracy. God bless you and peace.

Weak-willed, cafeteria Catholics who do not hold fast to the absolute moral teachings of Holy Mother Church cause scandal and disgrace.

I am sure everyone can think of hypocritical public figures who claim to be Catholic and yet refuse to carry their beliefs into public service.

By doing so, they serve Satan instead. They turn their backs on Christ.

We know their ways now. We will NOT keep our mouths shut, ever again!

We will say it over and over. Promoting non-Catholic Catholicism is wrong, immoral, and scandalous.

 

[Andre1000]

I think the bishops should be more involved because every issue is also a Christian issue.
And of curse they are socialistic because socialism and communism has its original in Christianity.
The history of communism is that some people saw in the Bible the economy in the first Christian community and invented the idea of communism but unfortunately Marx made communism atheistic.

 

[CMatt25]

Estesbob and Sailor, I guess all I have further to say then is thank you for judging one’s discernment of the Spirit and Whom another serves. And Sailor be assured neither will we Christians who believe foremost in the social Gospel Jesus taught, no longer keep quiet while we watch such emphasis on merely a couple of issues, abortion and gays, to such a greater degree than those of which Christ spoke of the most.

May God bless you both abundantly as you walk your human journeys with Him on this earth. And may His peace be with you always. Amen.

 

[estesbob]

Estesbob and Sailor, I guess all I have further to say then is thank you for judging one’s discernment of the Spirit and Whom another serves. And Sailor be assured neither will we Christians who believe foremost in the social Gospel Jesus taught, no longer keep quiet while we watch such emphasis on merely a couple of issues, abortion and gays, to such a greater degree than those of which Christ spoke of the most.

May God bless you both abundantly as you walk your human journeys with Him on this earth. And may His peace be with you always. Amen.

Once again Matt when you come to a Catholic forum and claim the spirit and Christ have personally told you the Church is wrong you are going to get some disent. And rest assured Matt that those of us who adhere to the Church’s teaching will no longer keep silent when people hijack to social Gospel to push their poltcal agneda.

 

[CMatt25]

Once again Matt when you come to a Catholic forum and claim the spirit and Christ have personally told you the Church is wrong you are going to get some disent. And rest assured Matt that those of us who adhere to the Church’s teaching will no longer keep silent when people hijack to social Gospel to push their poltcal agneda.

It’s not the dissent I object to. Christ broke down the walls of division and we are united in Christ Whom far outweighs any differences we might have. It’s things like judging that another serves Satan and being told one faces hell as I’ve been told I do elsewhere on this forum which I wonder about. Unless of course one is God. One thing is certain. I have never judged someone a follower of Satan or to be facing hell simply because I may disagree with them on a matter of belief and faith. But I guess do as you must. Again peace and God bless.

 

[CMatt25]

I think the bishops should be more involved because every issue is also a Christian issue.
And of curse they are socialistic because socialism and communism has its original in Christianity.
The history of communism is that some people saw in the Bible the economy in the first Christian community and invented the idea of communism but unfortunately Marx made communism atheistic.

You mean not everyone saw Jesus as a greedy capitalist?

 

[estesbob]

It’s not the dissent I object to. Christ broke down the walls of division and we are united in Christ Whom far outweighs any differences we might have. It’s things like judging that another serves Satan and being told one faces hell as I’ve been told I do elsewhere on this forum which I wonder about. Unless of course one is God. One thing is certain. I have never judged someone a follower of Satan or to be facing hell simply because I may disagree with them on a matter of belief and faith. But I guess do as you must. Again peace and God bless.

There is no need to judge you. You have told us that Christ told you the Church was wrong . You would make the lives of the unborns secondary to what you have decided is a “greater good” . Christ would never teach that-which is why his Church rejects such a notion out of hand.

BTW-no one said you were going to hell or that you were serving Satan.

 

[CMatt25]

There is no need to judge you. You have told us that Christ told you the Church was wrong . You would make the lives of the unborns secondary to what you have decided is a “greater good” . Christ would never teach that-which is why his Church rejects such a notion out of hand.

BTW-no one said you were going to hell or that you were serving Satan.

Estesbob, you stated because I reject something the Church says, I need to look at what spirit I am following. Since I strive to follow Christ and His Holy Spirit, whether or not by your statement you were implying something else or not, is irrelevant now. And Sailor was kind enough to only declare some Catholic public officials to be serving Satan. I also never said you or Sailor said I face hell. I said elsewhere on the form I’ve been told so.

In any case if anyone wants to believe it is not a sin for the health insurance companies and pharmecutical companies to make the profits they do while people have been denied coverage or must choose between food on the table or their prescriptions, and would rather push their policital agenda of abortion and gays, then by all means do so and the best of luck to you all with that. God bless you all and peace be with you always.

 

[estesbob]

In any case if anyone wants to believe it is not a sin for the health insurance companies and pharmecutical companies to make the profits they do while people have been denied coverage or must choose between food on the table or their prescriptions, and would rather push their policital agenda of abortion and gays, then by all means do so and the best of luck to you all with that. God bless you all and peace be with you always.

What good is insurance coverage to those who are denied life?
What good are prescriptions for those deined life?
What good is food on the table for those denied life?
What good is being Catholic if we deny anything it teaches that runs contrary to our politcs?

 

[GIR]

The bishops are stepping on the toes of the laity. I just heard my new bishop urging people to fill out the census. Come on. That isn’t their job.

That being said. The immigration issue is pertinent to some degree. A large percentage of the population in the southwestern dioceses is latino.

 

[CMatt25]

What good is insurance coverage to those who are denied life?
What good are prescriptions for those deined life?
What good is food on the table for those denied life?
What good is being Catholic if we deny anything it teaches that runs contrary to our politcs?

Besides asking those who receive these things what good they are estesbob, read Matt 25:35-46 and you will get His answer which you seek.

Matt 25:42For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, **ill **and in prison, and you did not care for me.’

44 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’

45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’

Your last question is irrelevant since my beliefs do not run contrary to my politics nor visa versa. My faith defines my politics. If you want to know why the Church defines a Catholic as it does, and you do not like their definition, unfoetunately I can not help you with that one. God bless you and peace.

 

[CMatt25]

The bishops are stepping on the toes of the laity. I just heard my new bishop urging people to fill out the census. Come on. That isn’t their job.

That being said. The immigration issue is pertinent to some degree. A large percentage of the population in the southwestern dioceses is latino.

The Church has been stepping its political toes on the laity for quite some time now. Yrs ago the priest at the parish I was attending at the time told us to vote for GWB and his party because of one issue. Nevermind already born human beings dying from lack of healthcare coverage. Human beings already born starving and homeless. Human beings obliviated by the bombs of war. Nope. Nothing matters more than abortion and gays and stem cells. Fortunately I know better than to think they have the power to tell me how to vote.

 

[CMatt25]

The bishops are stepping on the toes of the laity. I just heard my new bishop urging people to fill out the census. Come on. That isn’t their job.

That being said. The immigration issue is pertinent to some degree. A large percentage of the population in the southwestern dioceses is latino.

It works both ways. Several yrs ago the priest at a parish I was attending at the time told us in his homily how to vote due to a single issue. Fortunately I know better than to base my vote on a single issue.

 

[estesbob]

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45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’

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Yet you would abandon the “least ones” for political expediency. How ironic.

 

[diggerdomer]

The bishops are stepping on the toes of the laity. I just heard my new bishop urging people to fill out the census. Come on. That isn’t their job.

Why not?

 

[CMatt25]

Yet you would abandon the “least ones” for political expediency. How ironic.

Estesbob, it appears you look the verse out of context to attempt to define your own definition of the least. But Christ defined the least ones in the verses as the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless stranger, the poor without clothing, the sick and the prisoner.

Matt 25:42 I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink;43 I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.

When you find Christ specifically mentioning the word abortion we can talk further. Otherwise we go in circles as to whether the Church has elevated it to such an overly extreme degree at the expense of these other issues Christ taught us about. God bless you my Christian comrade and peace be with you always.

 

[estesbob]

Estesbob, it appears you look the verse out of context to attempt to define your own definition of the least. But Christ defined the least ones in the verses as the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless stranger, the poor without clothing, the sick and the prisoner.

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I go with the definition of “the least” that the Church uses-that is ALL humans. You restrict to only those you consider worthy of support-which allows you to rationalize supporting killing humans before they are born.

 

[CathFaith1]

My faith defines my politics.

Then your faith isn’t in communion with Christ’s Church.

Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine**-I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.**

Evangelium Vitae

The Holy Spirit has made it clear beyond any doubt that abortion is murder and an unchangeable teaching.

 

[CMatt25]

I go with the definition of “the least” that the Church uses-that is ALL humans. You restrict to only those you consider worthy of support-which allows you to rationalize supporting killing humans before they are born.

Estesbob, first of all I do not “rationalize” the killing of humans. If I were a woman I can not fathom myself having an abortion. And you and I and our dear friends CathFaith1 and Sailor, and the Catholic Church may all say human life with a soul begins at the moment of conception. Our difference however is I do not walk in another’s shoes and I understand in the democratic society in which I live there are many different faith beliefs on this issue. And I do not believe I have the right nor the power to force the Catholic belief regarding this issue onto others. We will simply have to agree to disagree.

CathFaith1, indeed I have never said my faith sits fully in line with today’s CC. The CC today places its greatest emphasis and its political agenda on abortion and denying gays and lesbians their civil rights. If a secular celebrant or another church or denomination, ecclesial communities perhaps to all of you and Benedict16, choose to offer a civil union or ceremony to a gay or lesbian couple, no one is forcing the CC to do the same.

But I can not be a follower of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Gospel unless I place the greatest emphasis, not on where the CC places it. but on where He placed it. On issues of the poor, the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, the sick, and war and peace.

As with estesbob, we may have to simply agree to disagree as to where the greatest emphasis should be placed as we walk, as Christians and Catholics, despite any differences, united in Him. It is He Whom outweighs any differences we might have.

God bless you all in your walks with Him and peace be with you always.

 

[CathFaith1]

The CC today places its greatest emphasis and its political agenda on abortion and denying gays and lesbians their civil rights.

As She usually does, the Catholic Church places great emphasis on teaching the truth against the predominant errors/heresies of the time. The Church cares for souls. She’s here to helps us sinners avoid eternal damnation.