Bishops too involved in US Politics?

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My point is that in order to be saved from the fires of hell, a Catholic can not reject any Church teaching …
"Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity." (SOURCE: Denzinger’s Enchiridion Symbolorum; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 39)
Well, really, it all depends on what particular teaching, and exactly what “rejects” means.

Can Catholics reject dogmatic truths, such as witnessed to in the Creed? No.

But not everything the Church teaches is dogma, nor requires the assent of faith that dogma does.
 
How can you be a member of a group but believe something that is the exact opposite of what the group officially claims to believe?
By the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church, conferred by the baptismal character, a permanent bond which is not lost by reason of any act.

Pontifical Council 2006 🤷
 
But the Church has the authority to expell from itself any member which does not embrace it’s teachings via the Canon laws that I quoted earlier.
 
But the Church has the authority to expell from itself any member which does not embrace it’s teachings via the Canon laws that I quoted earlier.
If you mean excommunication, please note that excommunication does not mean one is no longer Catholic.
 
Who are you to judge which Bishops to follow?
Follow those who adhere in their writings and authority - the teachings of the Catholic Church.
If folks read the CCC, Bible, Roman Missal, and Canon Law, and if a Bishop does not adhere, talk to the Bishop.
Then email the Pope if necessary. Cardinal Arenze has said on video that the Vatican will talk to the Bishop in private.

As I have said before, about 80% of baptised Catholics do not attend Mass on a regular basis.
If this is true in your Diocese, something is wrong.
The geography of the Diocese is the real responsibility of each Bishop.
The Bishops have responsiblity for their own Diocese Parish Priests.
Many cradle Catholics have never heard of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” first printed in March 2000 - TEN YEARS ago. Many of those who have, have not been encouraged to study it. This is the Bishop’s job ! ! ! !
If they did their job, I would not be on this site.

I would be surprised if anyone in the US could believe that the US Catholic Church is in great shape. This has to be the Bishops thrust. They are losing souls.

Further some Bishops were even providing Catholic donation money to ACORN.

Give me a break. Let’s get this cleaned up.

youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/gLF3zgncml0

As always, there are good Bishops.
 
Follow those who adhere in their writings and authority - the teachings of the Catholic Church.
If folks read the CCC, Bible, Roman Missal, and Canon Law, and if a Bishop does not adhere, talk to the Bishop.
Then email the Pope if necessary. Cardinal Arenze has said on video that the Vatican will talk to the Bishop in private.

As I have said before, about 80% of baptised Catholics do not attend Mass on a regular basis.
If this is true in your Diocese, something is wrong.
The geography of the Diocese is the real responsibility of each Bishop.
The Bishops have responsiblity for their own Diocese Parish Priests.
Many cradle Catholics have never heard of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” first printed in March 2000 - TEN YEARS ago. Many of those who have, have not been encouraged to study it. This is the Bishop’s job ! ! ! !
If they did their job, I would not be on this site.

I would be surprised if anyone in the US could believe that the US Catholic Church is in great shape. This has to be the Bishops thrust. They are losing souls.

Further some Bishops were even providing Catholic donation money to ACORN.

Give me a break. Let’s get this cleaned up.

youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/gLF3zgncml0

As always, there are good Bishops.
You may be missing my point. The source (authority) for the CCC, Bible, Roman Missal, and Canon Law is the Church. And the authority in the Church for definitively proposing such teachings resides with the Bishops (Magisterium).

So, again, if Catholics are not to follow the Bishops (or only some Bishops)…who decides?

Give me a break. All Bishops are good (though not sinless or infallible).
 
Anyone who says the Catholic Church or Jesus teaches Socialism or Communism - had better provide their documentation. Put your money where your mouth is.

Provide complete passages in Catholic Church Documents, page and paragraph numbers.

Links are required.
Clearly many of us will be unable to take your interpretation of anything as Truth after the assertions you have made.

There has never been any teaching that everyone should have the same amount of money or stuff. This is a political distortion of Church teachings- socialism and communism.
The teaching is that individuals must help the poor. The Church clearly supports individual freedom.
 
God gave most of us a brain to discern. Eyes to read and observe.
The Magisterium is not just US Bishops.
Read the CCC for the definition.

Again all Bishops are not bad.
Clearly some Bishops are not doing their job. (They are too busy out pontificating on things that do not bring souls in their Diocese closer to God.)
Some are distorting what they are supposed to be doing - like Mahoney.
 
So, again, if Catholics are not to follow the Bishops (or only some Bishops)…who decides?
🤷 The conservative Catholics on CAF? No that can’t be. That would make them cafeteria Catholics. Oh well. 🤷 🍿 :coffeeread:
 
I don’t think so.
Please provide Links to Church documents for your Statements, so that we can all share in your wonderous knowledge.
It would be great to know exactly what you read.
Thanks.
Calling people names and trying to label them (cafeteria) etc. will get you no where. We want to see your documentation.
We all want TRUTH not distortion.
 
I don’t think so.
Please provide Links to Church documents for your Statements, so that we can all share in your wonderous knowledge.
It would be great to know exactly what you read.
Thanks.
Calling people names and trying to label them (cafeteria) etc. will get you no where. We want to see your documentation.
We all want TRUTH not distortion.
Maybe Scripture doesn’t count. But at least I know I won’t be called names or cafeteria any longer. :extrahappy: :grouphug:
 
Anyone who says the Catholic Church or Jesus teaches Socialism or Communism - had better provide their documentation. Put your money where your mouth is.

Provide complete passages in Catholic Church Documents, page and paragraph numbers.

Links are required.
Clearly many of us will be unable to take your interpretation of anything as Truth after the assertions you have made.

There has never been any teaching that everyone should have the same amount of money or stuff. This is a political distortion of Church teachings- socialism and communism.
The teaching is that individuals must help the poor. The Church clearly supports individual freedom.
I have no idea whose comment you’re responding to, but you’re right that the Church does not teach any specific political system, whether socialism, communism, capitalism, democracy, republicanism, monarchy, theocracy, etc.
 
God gave most of us a brain to discern. Eyes to read and observe.
The Magisterium is not just US Bishops.
Read the CCC for the definition.

Again all Bishops are not bad.
Clearly some Bishops are not doing their job. (They are too busy out pontificating on things that do not bring souls in their Diocese closer to God.)
Some are distorting what they are supposed to be doing - like Mahoney.
As you claim that all Bishops are not bad (which implies some are), and the SOME bishops are doing their job (implying others aren’t), can you please share with us which bishops are good and doing their job? And which aren’t? Just to help us Catholics know which bishops to follow? Thanks.
 
As you claim that all Bishops are not bad (which implies some are), and the SOME bishops are doing their job (implying others aren’t), can you please share with us which bishops are good and doing their job? And which aren’t? Just to help us Catholics know which bishops to follow? Thanks.
I’m thinking the answer is the ones who teach Republican politics. Those are the only ones seemed deemed not to be too involved in US politics.
 
I’m thinking the answer is the ones who teach Republican politics. Those are the only ones seemed deemed not to be too involved in US politics.
Dead wrong. You still are not going to get away with Name calling, and labelling. I never take my eye off the prize.
WHERE are the Links to your Church Documentation to back up your statements about the Church?
 
Dead wrong. You still are not going to get away with Name calling, and labelling. I never take my eye off the prize.
WHERE are the Links to your Church Documentation to back up your statements about the Church?
My dear friend, neither do I take my eye off the prize and I’ve spent an enormous amt of time simply trying to get CAF Catholics to understand the Church’s definition of a Catholic and not to label. And I present a lot of Scripture. But you may not consider Scripture Church documentation. I actually place Christ’s words a bit higher than what you might call documentation. So we may have to agree to disagree on what is documentation. And as you said use your brain and reading abilities to discern. I don’t always need a bishop who might have even covered up child abuse for instance or a priest who might have even molested a child, to then turn around and preach about an embryo or to interpret plain words of what taking caring of the sick means. But if you do, that’s fine. That’s why we call it faith and belief. And God bless you on your faith journey and peace.
 
And I present a lot of Scripture. But you may not consider Scripture Church documentation. I actually place Christ’s words a bit higher than what you might call documentation.
The problem comes when you place more value on your interpretation of Scripture than on what the Church teaches. As Catholics, we are not free to do that.
So we may have to agree to disagree on what is documentation.
Simply quoting Scripture - and then interpreting it yourself - does not constitute documentation.
And as you said use your brain and reading abilities to discern.
We are all certainly required to do this, nor do we have to find documentation for everything, nor are we forbidden to apply our own reason to moral questions. What we are not allowed is to prefer our opinion over the teaching of the Church. If the Church is silent on an issue we may choose whatever we think is best, but if the Church has presented a specific position we are no longer free to choose one that conflicts with it.

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You mean not everyone saw Jesus as a greedy capitalist? :eek:
I wouldn’t put Marx up there with my Savior. But if that’s what you want to do–go ahead.

Conservatism (its true definition—not the same definition as 'this administration is the most pro-life ever) goes hand in hand with Catholicism.

Far too many unorthodox Catholics are unwilling to see the truth.
 
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