Bishops too involved in US Politics?

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CMatt25 said:
Hi again Estesbob, for some reason you seem to perhaps be having some difficulty in distinguishing the difference between when Christ’s views are clearly spelled out for us on the social justice issues and on issues where they are not. I simply do not need a church to add to His words. But I am not forcing my religious views onto you. Neither am I in even the slightest snit. God granted us free will and you are free to believe as you choose to do so. On homosexual behavior I merely have spoken in regards to it as a civil rights issue. I do however swear blind allegiance to no human. God bless you immensely my dear friend in Christ.
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Then you reject in its entirety the Magisterium, and state heretical views. Such views lead people astray and cause scandal.
 
Sir_Knight said:
If one is excommunicated, one is barred from the sacraments and can not be publicly prayed for. So, exactly what Catholic benefits is one still receiving?
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As they remain Catholic, they can always seek to have the excommunication lifted if they so choose and be welcomed back fully.

You and Sailor and others seem to have difficulty with the Church’s definition of who is a Catholic. Oh well always plenty of room in God’s cafeteria for more. 🍿 :coffeeread: God bless you as you walk and peace.
 
CMatt25 said:
As they remain Catholic, they can always seek to have the excommunication lifted if they so choose and be welcomed back fully.
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Why not just avoid the action which causes the excommunication in the first place? None of us know when we will be called from this life. What happens if that calling comes before we are welcomed back?

And, I ask again, if one can not receive the sacraments and is barred from being prayed for publicly, what Catholic benefits does one have?
CMatt25 said:
You and Sailor and others seem to have difficulty with the Church’s definition of who is a Catholic. Oh well always plenty of room in God’s cafeteria for more. 🍿 :coffeeread: God bless you as you walk and peace.
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Being a Catholic means to be subjective to the Pope (Catholic Dogma # 469) and the official teaching of the Church (Catholic Dogma # 39).
 
Sir_Knight said:
What happens if that calling comes before we are welcomed back?

Being a Catholic means to be subjective to the Pope (Catholic Dogma # 469) and the official teaching of the Church (Catholic Dogma # 39).
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🤷 You and the Catholic Church might think you know. But I’ll play it safe and not judge and leave final judgment in the hands of God’s infinite wisdom. Along with His mercy and love.

😦 You’ll have to rewrite the definiton of “Catholic” when you get to the Vatican then I guess. Again you mix up who is a Catholic, even informed ones but albeit perhaps dissenting on something, with who might be more of a fully 100% practicing Catholic. I didn’t make up the definition. You’ll have to take your disagreement with the Church on who She claims as Catholic with someone higher up the food chain than me. Or else continue dissenting like the rest of us might do on something else. 🤷 God bless and peace.
 
CMatt25 said:
🤷 You and the Catholic Church might think you know. But I’ll play it safe and not judge and leave final judgment in the hands of God’s infinite wisdom. Along with His mercy and love.
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Well, given the fact that the Son of God promised that whatever the Church binds on earth WILL BE bound in heaven, that seems to strongly imply that the Church does know what they are talking about unless Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about.
CMatt25 said:
😦 You’ll have to rewrite the definiton of “Catholic” when you get to the Vatican then I guess. Again you mix up who is a Catholic, even informed ones but albeit perhaps dissenting on something, with who might be more of a fully 100% practicing Catholic. I didn’t make up the definition. You’ll have to take your disagreement with the Church on who She claims as Catholic with someone higher up the food chain than me. Or else continue dissenting like the rest of us might do on something else. 🤷 God bless and peace.
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Given the fact that I provided Church dogma as supporting references and Church dogma can never be changed, I would think that my definition would be consistent with the Vatican. Can you provide supporting references to show otherwise?
 
CMatt25 said:
And when individuals fail and a govt has to assume a role, render unto Caesar. God bless you and peace.
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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s—and Caesar’s is NOT the portion of life and death over the innocent.

Again, you mis-understand, mis-quote, speak of heretical positions, and lead others astray.

But I think we realize that now.

A ‘dissident’ to the Vatican is not exactly Catholic. Holy Mother Church is NOT a ‘cafeteria,’ but heretical Catholics love to think so as they move their tray down the line, picking, choosing, causing scandal.
 
CMatt25 said:
🤷 You and the Catholic Church might think you know. But I’ll play it safe and not judge and leave final judgment in the hands of God’s infinite wisdom.
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You are right about where final judgment resides but wrong about what constitutes “safe”:*

“You become worse than the sinner if you fail to correct him.”* Augustine

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Sir_Knight said:
Well, given the fact that the Son of God promised that whatever the Church binds on earth WILL BE bound in heaven, that seems to strongly imply that the Church does know what they are talking about unless Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about.

Given the fact that I provided Church dogma as supporting references and Church dogma can never be changed, I would think that my definition would be consistent with the Vatican. Can you provide supporting references to show otherwise?
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I have no doubt you and I do not share the same belief as to Jesus along the way having to correct the fallible humans of His Church on earth so as the gates do not prevail in the end. And I have provided on CAF many, many, many times, Catholic references explaining who is considered a member of the Church. Some of you simply deny who the Church teaches is Catholic, albeit they perhaps are not as perfectly practicing as you, but nevertheless Catholic in the eyes of the Church. God bless you and peace along your journey to His truth.
 
Sir_Knight said:
How can you be a member of a group but believe something that is the exact opposite of what the group officially claims to believe?
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Possible answers to a general question:

Ignorance is bliss?
To cause scandal and lead the innocent astray?
Sheer Toll-ery?

I would suggest the latter, if continued fraternal correction falls upon deaf ears.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
Ignorance is bliss?
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Ignorance is far from “bliss” and is NOT a excuse from sin. In fact, ignorance IS a sin in and of itself because the bible tells us that nothing but sin deserves punishment and 1 Corinthians 14:38 tells us that ignorance deserves punishment. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that ignorance is also a sin.

Leviticus 5:17 … "*If any one sin, and do any of the things which Jehovah hath commanded not to be done, though he knew it not, yet IS he guilty, and SHALL bear his iniquity."*
 
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