Black Lives Matter fundraising handled by group with convicted terrorist on its board

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Alicia Garza, one of three co-founders of the Black Lives Matter national organization, has repeatedly talked about how convicted cop killer and wanted domestic terrorist Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, is one of her main inspirations.
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This is really bad.

Immigration, yes, we have taken in a great number.
 
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You know, overseas, I like those Kurds, they are our allies. Generals like Voetel and Mattis like them.

But if you read some of their materials, so and so was martyred in the fight against ISIS but he did it for the Revolution. I’ve heard Communists say things like before.

It would not surprise me if BLM organizers can look at the situation, say, some people have died but it’s for a greater good.

Just saying how some of these people think.

I still like the Kurds but I’d want an expert, unbiased expert, to tell me more about their political beliefs but hey, you are out there in these areas fighting a terrible, terrible force like ISIS, you will probably try to get whoever can help you.

For the record, the so-called “Ba’athists” as Assad is and as Saddam was, they seem to purport to follow some sort of socialism too.

Lastly, Stephen Miller and his wife by the way… oh my, they are Jews. I guess, I could turn this into some conversation too on people’s backgrounds. The USA needs to get beyond this, we landed a man on the moon in 1969.


Doesn’t really fit into the White Nationalist one might think of
 
Black Lives Matter re-surfaced prominently after the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis.
Minneapolis has a Democratic Governor. Minnesota has a Democratic Governor, Attorney General, and Senators. The Minneapolis Police Chief was African-American.
Why isn’t BLM protesting DEMOCRATS?
 
Following this line of thought, people often are quick to praise when someone of their own political tribe has an apparent change of heart and to forgive their past public sins.

Does this same benefit of the doubt not go to one’s political enemies?
 
It should, depending on their actions, which is why I asked what she has done with her life after being pardoned.

If the person is exhibiting the same behavior or bad behavior it would be a problem. I have no idea who this gal is or what she has done.

If someone has a checkered past or beliefs regardless of whether they have been convicted of a crime, if they are acting the same way they should be looked at with suspicion.
 
Maybe if these cowards and poseurs really cared about black lives they would go into the areas of the cities where black lives are actually being killed by the dozens every week, rather than standing and posing in front of a burnt down Wendy’s with their guns or harassing police and destroying property in safe areas of town. Until they go and confront the dangerous gangs and attempt to stop the slaughter, as far as I’m concerned they should all shut their big hypocritical mouths. I don’t give a hoot about any politics. I just know I’ve seen countless blacks who lost loves ones recently, including young kids, ask where is this organization who supposedly cares about black lives.
 
My, my my. Guilt by association?

For your information, Joanne Chesimard was found guilty of being present when a NJ state trooper was shot and thereby convicted of conspiracy. She fled to Cuba in the seventies after breaking out of jail, where she remains to this day. When we resumed diplomatic relations with Cuba, the US did not seek the extradition of Ms. Chesimard.

However, what she did or did not do made riding on the NJ turnpike very interesting for young minorities males in the seventies.
 
Zach said:
Maybe if these cowards and poseurs really cared about black lives they would go into the areas of the cities where black lives are actually being killed by the dozens every week, rather than standing and posing in front of a burnt down Wendy’s with their guns or harassing police and destroying property in safe areas of town.
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I don’t think you are familiar with the demonstrations against and efforts against inner city violence which is being conducted by those who live in those areas.
 
Polak said:
You’re still being a bit vague. Black Lives Matter call themselves an organised ‘movement’.

My question is do you support this movement, whose home page is here https://blacklivesmatter.com/?

Simple yes or no answer.
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I haven’t checked out thtat web site. I’m not interested in doing so either. The term Black Lives Matter is being used by people all over the world as a call to end racism. I support that 100%.

If you want to tie that in with whatever appears on that site that entirely up to you. If you don’t want to add your support to this call to end racism because of what’s on that site then that’s entirely up to you.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
Their leader is an avowed Marxist (which is utterly bizarre considering Marx’s views on black people), their movement is extremely far-left and supports all kinds of moral evils.
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Have you ever seen some of paintings of hell and it is all weird, upside down, backwards, wrong, hedonistic, etc? That is what this is. The organization and it’s supporters are doing things that don’t make sense, do nothing for their cause in fact causes people to lose sympathy for it, causes death and harm to black black children, embryos families, businesses, culture, religion, and is blatantly racist as well as Marxist.
 
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If the Ku Klux Klan had started saying “All Lives Matter”, that the popular use of that phrase began and was driven in it’s popular use by them, and they started an organisation with that name, and they organised rallies and protests with that slogan as the rallying cry, and in their promotion of that idea they spread racism and hate, would you not find it wrong if people said “I support the message that all lives matter” but I don’t necessarily support the organisation."? Would you not consider it much more appropriate to distance oneself from that movement entirely, and to not chant the slogans they used as the cry of their movement?
 
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If the Ku Klux Klan had started saying “All Lives Matter”, that the popular use of that phrase began and was driven in it’s popular use by them, and they started an organisation with that name, and they organised rallies and protests with that slogan as the rallying cry, and in their promotion of that idea they spread racism and hate, would you not find it wrong if people said “I support the message that all lives matter” but I don’t necessarily support the organisation."? Would you not consider it much more appropriate to distance oneself from that movement entirely, and to not chant the slogans they used as the cry of their movement?
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What the vast majority of people are protesting about (across the world), how they protest and how they refer to the protests have nothing at all to do with what’s on that web site.

If you find that someone is actively supporting what is on that site (by them voluntarily making it known or by you actively asking them) then you need to discuss their views on that with them.

Fair enough?
 
The words “Black Lives Matter” movement was used, someone supports the movement so that in itself seems a bit ambiguous.

So, the BLM organizers are being a bit dubious.

Defund the police all over because of what happened to George Floyd? Someone made this about the marches too and I think that’s very wrong.
 
blackforest said:
Good luck, Fred. They’re still going to insist on deliberately equivocating between movement and organization.
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I’m afraid do. So here we go:

Listen up everyone!

Blackforest and I wholeheartedly support the BLMM (Black Lives Matter Movement).
 
Freddy said:
I haven’t checked out thtat web site. I’m not interested in doing so either. The term Black Lives Matter is being used by people all over the world as a call to end racism. I support that 100%.

If you want to tie that in with whatever appears on that site that entirely up to you. If you don’t want to add your support to this call to end racism because of what’s on that site then that’s entirely up to you.
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Haha, good one. So I either support this or I don’t want to support a call to end racism? Riiiight. That’s the tactic.

Person a) Do you support Black Lives Matter?

Person b) Well not this movement no.

Person a) Racist.

I notice you still didn’t answer the question. It sounds like you are saying you are for the ‘term’ used around the world but not necessarily for the official movement/organisation, although I can see that for some reason, you don’t want to directly say it.
 
You didn’t answer my question, but that’s okay.
 
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Freddy said:
I’m afraid do. So here we go:

Listen up everyone!

Blackforest and I wholeheartedly support the BLMM ( B lack L ives M atter M ovement).
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Which basically means nothing.

Obviously, one is not whole heartedly supporting the crimes and loss of life that has occurred with the riots.

So, I’d say, one is basically saying they like the words, term. But I’m not sure if that would be the “movement” without including quite a bit of harm done by the protesters.
 
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