Black voter registration effort launched at ‘Black Panther’ screenings

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Arkansan said:
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I’m just surprised to see a liberal straight-forwardly acknowledging these things.

In any case, the existence of this correlation doesn’t demonstrate why such restrictions would be bad.
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Such restrictions have already been tried. Propertied men were the only people allowed to vote for MPs in Britain for centuries (I believe the original qualification was 100 pounds per year in income). In the US, early on, the same restrictions applied. In both countries the franchise was steadily enlarged
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And government has all the while become worse and worse.
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You clearly don’t know how corrupt the House of Commons was back in those days.
 
I’m just surprised to see a liberal straight-forwardly acknowledging these things.
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I’m not a liberal, I’m a communist. And what “things” am I acknowledging? That those with the most power under capitalism are primarily the rich, white men who control capital? That the family and household is primarily patriarchal? That those in poverty are less likely to be given access to a good education, and that non-whites are more likely to be those who are in poverty? These things aren’t secret, and they aren’t anything that doesn’t deserve to be acknowledged straight-forwardly.
In any case, the existence of this correlation doesn’t demonstrate why such restrictions would be bad.
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But they aren’t merely correlations, but an essential part of the way our society functions. These facts are an expression of relations of power in our society, and a product of the domination of capital. You apparently just support these relations openly and unashamedly, and I think that reveals something about your personal politics.

I don’t support popular democracy at all - it just conceals the fact that we live in a society controlled by capital, and it’s entirely a product of a society based on the management of capital. The electoral politics you suggest, however, would just be the rule of capital in a more naked form.
 
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There are many that would be good. E.g. restricting it only to heads of household who own their home, raising the voting age, disqualifying those whose ancestors recently immigrated, requiring a test of political knowledge.
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Wow. Would I get to vote? My grandparents, all four of them, were immigrants.

And am I a head of household? We own our home (an apartment in New York), but my wife makes more money than I do. So is she the head of household? But she’s not a citizen, she’s a permanent legal resident. Does that mean that nobody in our household gets to vote?
 
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I thoughts we were supposed to oppose racism. It seems we only oppose some racism.
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Tell you what. Next time a Whit Stillman film, or a Wes Anderson movie, opens, you can go set up a table and register voters.

And I promise no one here will call you a racist because you do that.
 
It’s how the White Nationalists operate. They’ve learned to encode the language of their White Supremacist forebears. That’s critical, because at all times they must seem as if they are not fundamentally advocating for the same position as their intellectual cousins, so caution must be used. As the expression goes, they’ve “whitewashed” white supremacy, and found a way to make it sound somehow more reasonable and less virulent.
 
Yes, but you can’t tap into a wider membership if you’re a frothing-at-the-mouth white supremacist with Aryan Nation tattoos on your forehead. You need to be more subtle.
 
Arkansan said:
Just insulting an idea doesn’t make it wrong.
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But what I said is true; the idea that registering to vote should not be easy for anyone or any group is elitist and un-American. Not insulting, just factual.
 
The chief problem here is that you have shifted to fantasy. The US is not going to move back to an 18th century voting system, there’s not going to be a return to the blatant voter suppression laws of the Jim Crow era. We might as well debate when we’re going to declare the first Emperor of Jupiter.

Your ideal democracy ceased to exist a long time ago, and even holdouts like South Africa have universal suffrage now. Voting is seen as the paramount civil liberty, so what dreams you have of some form of Early Modern Semi-democracy are just your fantasies.
 
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Tell you what. Next time a Whit Stillman film, or a Wes Anderson movie, opens, you can go set up a table and register voters.

And I promise no one here will call you a racist because you do that.
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Just to be clear. You don’t mind if people go out with the purpose of registering White voters? Maybe they can even have a goal of employing only White people in the effort? Both would be fine with you?
 
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Inisfallen:
Tell you what. Next time a Whit Stillman film, or a Wes Anderson movie, opens, you can go set up a table and register voters.

And I promise no one here will call you a racist because you do that.
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Just to be clear. You don’t mind if people go out with the purpose of registering White voters? Maybe they can even have a goal of employing only White people in the effort? Both would be fine with you?
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Do you have any evidence at all that this registration drive signed up only black voters? Is this just another “fact” about these registration drives being invented?
 
What on Earth does that have to do with the issue? Are you trying to make an argument that some racial discrimination is good?
 
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