Blind Woman Regains Sight After Visiting Relics at Phoenix Church

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An internist who reviewed her case for the Church said that when it comes to her sort of blindness that "unfortunately once the blindness occurs, it's irreversible."
The blind woman prayed over two days before the relics of St. Charbel, a Lebanese saint with a long history of healing the sick and the disabled.

“The next morning, she woke up in pain.”

“'I was just wiping my eyes, and I’m like, ‘They burn! They burn!’”

“That morning, Jan. 18, Gutierrez said her eyesight started to return. Three days later, doctors confirmed her eyesight was completely restored.”

“The Bishop, A. Elias Zaidan, described Gutierrez’s recovery as a ‘healing’ by St. Charbel.” Now people from all over the world go there.

Another news-source report for this: foxnews.com/us/2017/02/02/arizona-woman-cured-blindness-spreads-fame-obscure-lebanese-saint.html
 
I just recently ‘discovered’ St. Charbel (or Sharbel). He had an interesting story; very pious; very hermit…ish? Nevertheless, he’s become one of my favorites, and I like that he’s making the news. I even did his Novena a while back.
 
Always good to hear of a healing in such a manner, Thanks for the link.
 
How wonderful! Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints!
 
Why would her eyes be burning? Inflicting pain? Forgive me, I’m suspicious. Why would God inflict pain to heal? This is not how I know God. Where in Holy Scripture does it say something like this?
 
AnneElizabeth said:
Why would her eyes be burning? Inflicting pain? Forgive me, I’m suspicious. Why would God inflict pain to heal? This is not how I know God. Where in Holy Scripture does it say something like this?
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This reminds me of when Jesus heals the blind man in John. He did put a mud mixture in his eye which I found interesting. Just a thought that God may have a reason for doing so. I personally believe this story but I can understand your doubts.

**Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind

9As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3*“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
6*After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes.** 7*“Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.
 
MaryT777 said:
This reminds me of when Jesus heals the blind man in John. He did put a mud mixture in his eye which I found interesting. Just a thought that God may have a reason for doing so. I personally believe this story but I can understand your doubts.

**Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind

9As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3*“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
6*After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes.** 7*“Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.
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There is no mention of the mud hurting the man’s eyes. I’ve always thought this meant on the eyelids, not on the actual eyes, even at that, again, there is no mention of it bothering him or being in pain. Perhaps the type of mud used, if put on the eye did not cause pain. It just doesn’t say. I thought of this verse too when I saw the post. I don’t’ think they are comparable in my opinion.

Again, I’ll say it… it bothers me that she is in intense pain before her healing. This is not how I know The Holy Spirit to work. Even what is in Scripture… James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. Of course, like anyone else, I’d love to believe, but what part of her having intense pain in her eyes for a while before her healing is “gentle” or “peaceable” or “full of mercy”? (remember even cruel tyrants can be ‘merciful’ even after they beat you up a bit, but “full of mercy” they are not.)

Ah, no matter, I’m not an expert… just something that stands out to me.

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AnneElizabeth said:
There is no mention of the mud hurting the man’s eyes. I’ve always thought this meant on the eyelids, not on the actual eyes, even at that, again, there is no mention of it bothering him or being in pain. Perhaps the type of mud used, if put on the eye did not cause pain. It just doesn’t say. I thought of this verse too when I saw the post. I don’t’ think they are comparable in my opinion.

Again, I’ll say it… it bothers me that she is in intense pain before her healing. This is not how I know The Holy Spirit to work. Even what is in Scripture… James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. Of course, like anyone else, I’d love to believe, but what part of her having intense pain in her eyes for a while before her healing is “gentle” or “peaceable” or “full of mercy”? (remember even cruel tyrants can be ‘merciful’ even after they beat you up a bit, but “full of mercy” they are not.)

Ah, no matter, I’m not an expert… just something that stands out to me.

Yes, I certainly understand your point.~
Mary.

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AnneElizabeth said:
There is no mention of the mud hurting the man’s eyes. I’ve always thought this meant on the eyelids, not on the actual eyes, even at that, again, there is no mention of it bothering him or being in pain. Perhaps the type of mud used, if put on the eye did not cause pain. It just doesn’t say. I thought of this verse too when I saw the post. I don’t’ think they are comparable in my opinion.

Again, I’ll say it… it bothers me that she is in intense pain before her healing. This is not how I know The Holy Spirit to work. Even what is in Scripture… James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. Of course, like anyone else, I’d love to believe, but what part of her having intense pain in her eyes for a while before her healing is “gentle” or “peaceable” or “full of mercy”? (remember even cruel tyrants can be ‘merciful’ even after they beat you up a bit, but “full of mercy” they are not.)

Ah, no matter, I’m not an expert… just something that stands out to me.

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Yes, it’s certainly a valid point worth considering!~

Mary.
 
Maybe in this case it was nerves coming back again that resulted in some pain. Maybe the guy in the Bible story was different.🤷
 
I get the skepticism, but I would imagine that nerve atrophy would have set in for the optic nerve. If you don’t use a muscle for a long time, and then start using it a lot, there will be discomfort. If your eyes haven’t worked for a while, and then regenerate, I imagine some discomfort would occur (or at least could). If this were the case, God would not be causing the pain; He would be causing the healing, which would result in the renewed use of the organ, which would cause physical sensations associated with said organ which the individual would not have experienced for a while, which may cause some discomfort. Anyways, it doesn’t seem like the woman is complaining much about the pain now.

~Pax
 
SanRafael1102 said:
I get the skepticism, but I would imagine that nerve atrophy would have set in for the optic nerve. If you don’t use a muscle for a long time, and then start using it a lot, there will be discomfort. If your eyes haven’t worked for a while, and then regenerate, I imagine some discomfort would occur (or at least could). If this were the case, God would not be causing the pain; He would be causing the healing, which would result in the renewed use of the organ, which would cause physical sensations associated with said organ which the individual would not have experienced for a while, which may cause some discomfort. Anyways, it doesn’t seem like the woman is complaining much about the pain now.

~Pax
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Excellent point. (Also, I notice you are relatively new to the forums. Welcome and enjoy your stay!~)
 
AnneElizabeth said:
Why would her eyes be burning? Inflicting pain? Forgive me, I’m suspicious. Why would God inflict pain to heal? This is not how I know God. Where in Holy Scripture does it say something like this?
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The information concerning her healing is not unlike others who have been healed; it is not always instantaneous, can can involve some pain as part of the body is regenerated/modified/corrected.
 
AnneElizabeth said:
Why would her eyes be burning? Inflicting pain? Forgive me, I’m suspicious. Why would God inflict pain to heal? This is not how I know God. Where in Holy Scripture does it say something like this?
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I make no judgement on this case although I am heartened by it.

Suffering in Judeo / Christanity:

Adam and Eve being banished from the Garden of Eden
The flood.
The agonising testing of Abraham with his son Isaac.
The plagues of Egypt.
The 40 year wandering in the desert.
Job being struck by misfortune deliberately by God in an effort to teach him.

Jesus suffering on the cross to bring healing.

Saint Paul explaining in his Letter about his own afflictions sent by God as a balance to his ego.
The horrible sufferings and death of the early martyrs.
Pope Leo XIII’s vision that God will let the devil have 100 years power against the church.
The idea of being cleansed ‘as if by fire’ in purgatory is also very Catholic.
The three young children at Fatima suffering on behalf of sinners.
The miracle of the Sun which caused many to extreme panic believing it was the end of the world.
Padre Pio’s suffering with stigmata.
The suffering of Pope John Paul II

The existence of suffering in my opinion is integral to Christianity. Not that we look for it but that we are strengthened by it as a reminder that there are greater things than ourselves.

I agree with you that ultimately God is mercy and love but some of us still need to be perfected, myself included. Pain is part of that, especially the pain felt from a separation from God due to our own choices.

Peace.
 
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