Blog Post: "What's Your Job," People Ask. Thoughts of a Stay-at-Home Mom

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…People are all about glorifying the wonderful life of the SAHM as it starts. I have rarely, ever, seen much talk or material about what would happen once the kids aren’t kids anymore. Or at least, I don’t see this much from the pro-SAHM crowd itself where it ought to be coming from.
I may not be fully understanding your point…but…I think about what I will do with my life when my nest is empty, but I don’t talk much about it. For two main reasons:
1-I am completely consumed with NOW. I simply am not that interested in worrying about the long term future when I have enough to worry about right now, or the shorter term future.
2-there are too many variables that would make planning for my empty nest futile at this time. I don’t know when my last child will be born, and thus how old I will be when my children are all adults. I don’t know what my dh’s and my health will be like at that point, and I don’t know if dh will still be working or if he’ll be retired. I don’t know what sort of involvement I’ll have in my adult children’s (and possible grandchildren’s) lives, and I don’t know what kind of involvement/responsibilities I’ll have in our extended family’s lives.

So given that, why would I go planning for that stage of life, and what can I really say that is meaningful, other than, “this will be a new stage of life, with new challenges. I don’t know what they are yet - I guess I’ll have to cross that bridge when I come to it.” ?

Given that, here’s what I imagine for the empty nest stage - I imagine myself traveling more with dh, singing in the church choir, volunteering, etc. I hope to have friends to socialize with at that point in my life, and if we are blessed enough to have children and grandchildren nearby, I hope to get to see them regularly. As a homeschooling mom, I don’t have much time to be a homemaker, so I hope to be able to hone my currently worse-than-mediocre cooking and cleaning skills.

To be perfectly honest, as I look into the future of my empty nest, it is hard to think about, because I mostly imagine myself sleeping. 😉 I have this image of myself in a scene from a mattress commercial - finally getting the rest I had only heard about for all these years…so while I know that I will soon tire of all the opportunities to sleep, I really can’t get beyond it (back to reason #1 - consumed with the present), and while I do have some ideas about what life will be like, my #2 (who knows what the future really holds?) allows me to not fret or even dream about it too much.

Both my mother and mil were SAHMs. Both of them are examples to me of women who dedicated themselves totally to their family (with totally different styles), without working outside the home, and who have made the transition to life without children in the house pretty naturally. They are both busy, both active, and when they first became empty nesters, because they didn’t have paying jobs outside the home, they were available to do other activities. So again, I really don’t think the empty nest is going to be a huge problem. I will say this. I will miss my kids, and it makes me sad just thinking about them growing up and moving on. So I imagine feeling sad about that loss when the time comes. But I assume this is based on my great love for my kids and my enjoyment of their presence, and I assume that this is something that working moms feel just as much as SAHMs. I will have to wake up one day, and they won’t be there in there starting their schoolwork in the schoolroom. But the working mom will have to come home from work, and not have them there to greet her at the door. We are all going to suffer from an empty nest experience no matter what we do during the day.

I’m not really sure what kind of “support” a SAHM mom or an empty nester would need. So I guess that’s where I’m not understanding what the problem is? I don’t really see why people arguing the merits of being a SAHM would be talking about what happens when the kids move out. That is a separate issue as far as I’m concerned.
 
It’s more that being a stay at home mother ends up being too important to a person’s self-conception. ** There’s rather a tendency to define ourselves and our value by what we do** - this applies to jobs too, of course. .
I think this is very sad. I am a single woman who never had kids. I detest the ‘what do you do for a living’ questions as if there is no tomorrow. I want to be valued by my good heart and it seems no one knows how to talk about anything but work.
 
I may not be fully understanding your point…but…I think about what I will do with my life when my nest is empty, but I don’t talk much about it. For two main reasons:
1-I am completely consumed with NOW. I simply am not that interested in worrying about the long term future when I have enough to worry about right now, or the shorter term future.
2-there are too many variables that would make planning for my empty nest futile at this time. I don’t know when my last child will be born, and thus how old I will be when my children are all adults. I don’t know what my dh’s and my health will be like at that point, and I don’t know if dh will still be working or if he’ll be retired. I don’t know what sort of involvement I’ll have in my adult children’s (and possible grandchildren’s) lives.

I imagine myself traveling more with dh, singing in the church choir, volunteering, etc. I hope to have friends to socialize with at that point in my life, and if we are blessed enough to have children and grandchildren nearby, I hope to get to see them regularly. As a homeschooling mom, I don’t have much time to be a homemaker, so I hope to be able to hone my currently worse-than-mediocre cooking and cleaning skills.

To be perfectly honest, as I look into the future of my empty nest, it is hard to think about, because I mostly imagine myself sleeping. 😉 I have this image of myself in a scene from a mattress commercial - finally getting the rest I had only heard about for all these years…so while I know that I will soon tire of all the opportunities to sleep, I really can’t get beyond it (back to reason #1 - consumed with the present), and while I do have some ideas about what life will be like, my #2 (who knows what the future really holds?) allows me to not fret or even dream about it too much.

I’m not really sure what kind of “support” a SAHM mom or an empty nester would need. So I guess that’s where I’m not understanding what the problem is? I don’t really see why people arguing the merits of being a SAHM would be talking about what happens when the kids move out. That is a separate issue as far as I’m concerned.
I also suspect that many CAFers (especially those with a large spacing between first and last kid) will find that grandchildren may appear even before the last child is launched.

I was my grandma’s first grandchild and I was born when she was 50, the first of 9 grandchildren (not a lot for CAF, but we kept her busy!). My MIL was right around the same age (maybe a little younger) when her first grandchild was born, and my mom was in her early 50s (my mom now has 7 grandchildren). I’m 39 and my early/mid 50s really aren’t that far away, in the grand scheme of things.

My husband and I both grew up with active local grandmas but we have never had local grandparent help while raising our children. When the time comes, and if our kids allow, I think it would be very nice to be able to lend a hand to our adult children and make life easier in that respect.
 
I’m not really sure what kind of “support” a SAHM mom or an empty nester would need. So I guess that’s where I’m not understanding what the problem is? I don’t really see why people arguing the merits of being a SAHM would be talking about what happens when the kids move out. That is a separate issue as far as I’m concerned.
You want a good start? How about a guidebook that’ll teach moms to not overreact when their children don’t call them or pay as much attention to them as when they were kids?

How about a daily ritual that’ll gear them to be happy about what their children are doing without having the need to constantly be in their physical presence every, single, day?

There are plenty of materials on ENS that strongly hint to links with SAHMs. I can’t tell whether the fact that it’s only a budding market now depresses me or relieves me.
I think this is very sad. I am a single woman who never had kids. I detest the ‘what do you do for a living’ questions as if there is no tomorrow. I want to be valued by my good heart and it seems no one knows how to talk about anything but work.
A good heart is supposed to translate into everything you do. It’s really just a matter of how good you are at the translating bit and leading from there. 🤷
 
You want a good start? How about a guidebook that’ll teach moms to not overreact when their children don’t call them or pay as much attention to them as when they were kids?

How about a daily ritual that’ll gear them to be happy about what their children are doing without having the need to constantly be in their physical presence every, single, day?

There are plenty of materials on ENS that strongly hint to links with SAHMs. I can’t tell whether the fact that it’s only a budding market now depresses me or relieves me.
I enjoy Vicki Iovine’s “Girlfriend’s Guide to Getting Your Groove Back.” It’s about coping with the transition from mother-of-little-kids to mother-of-school-kids, but there are some obvious applications to the empty nester situation.

(I always have to add that Iovine and her husband eventually got divorced, but I don’t think it’s because of any advice in the book.)
 
Do stay-at-home-Dads deal with the same issue?

Are they more/less/the same amount respected than stay at home moms?

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My husband is a SAHD. I think he gets less respect in some ways. When he first started staying home people would ask if I had daycare and I’d say, “Oh, my husband is a stay at home dad,” and they’d reply, “Oh yeah, the job market is so tough. He’ll find work soon.” They didn’t realize that he quit his job to be home with our son.

That was six years ago, and things have gotten better, but not as good as for SAHMs, especially since he’s considering re-entering the workforce. Taking a break to raise children is pretty common for women, but not so much for dads. Hopefully that perception will change as well. Right now, though, there are some people that think it’s great that he’s home without kids, and some people that thin, it’s a waste…same reaction moms get, I imagine.
 
What always strikes me as really sad is that so many SAHMs justify themselves. Making sure they mention what they did before, what their academic background is, hinting they have other plans for the future. I know that it can be difficult to receive that condescending look and feel humiliated because that person obviously thinks you are stupid for deciding to take care of your children instead of working for money.

I work part time and people often ask when I’m planning to go full time. I say I don’t plan to do that, but in fact will cease working so I can home educate for a few years. It is tempting to go into a detailed explanation of my history and future plans, but I try and not go there. I don’t want to get into a habit of explaining my decisions to people whose opinion doesn’t matter.
 
To this, I have to say: Saturday is chore and homework day.
That’s what’s so rough about growing up as a Catholic kid. 5 days of school led into homework/chore Saturday which led into mass/Sunday school/falling asleep Sunday which led right back into 5 days of school and so on and so on. Thank the Lord for summers with grandma, that’s all I can say! 😃
 
That’s what’s so rough about growing up as a Catholic kid. 5 days of school led into homework/chore Saturday which led into mass/Sunday school/falling asleep Sunday which led right back into 5 days of school and so on and so on. Thank the Lord for summers with grandma, that’s all I can say! 😃
No Sunday school here. Wednesday night is CCD, so it is possible for Sunday to be devoted to Mass and then some form of family fun. Fun may happen on Saturday (for instance friends’ birthdays), but fun is not to be expected on Saturday.
 
What always strikes me as really sad is that so many SAHMs justify themselves. Making sure they mention what they did before, what their academic background is, hinting they have other plans for the future. I know that it can be difficult to receive that condescending look and feel humiliated because that person obviously thinks you are stupid for deciding to take care of your children instead of working for money.

I work part time and people often ask when I’m planning to go full time. I say I don’t plan to do that, but in fact will cease working so I can home educate for a few years. It is tempting to go into a detailed explanation of my history and future plans, but I try and not go there. I don’t want to get into a habit of explaining my decisions to people whose opinion doesn’t matter.
Isn’t it possible to hear someone mention what he or she used to do and what he or she plans to do without projecting some need to justify themselves on to that?

When people ask what you do, it usually isn’t meant to justify your existence. Some people are that shallow, but most people aren’t. They’re usually just casting around for some topic for small talk. I mean, I don’t think if someone said, “I sell insurance. I used to work at a hardware store for years, which I liked but it was too hard on my feet. To be honest, now I’m hoping to get into financial planning, instead,” that you’d think the person was trying to “justify” his choice to sell insurance or make himself sound important. Maybe he just wants you to know that he would be happy to debate DeWalt vs Black & Decker!
 
Isn’t it possible to hear someone mention what he or she used to do and what he or she plans to do without projecting some need to justify themselves on to that?

When people ask what you do, it usually isn’t meant to justify your existence. Some people are that shallow, but most people aren’t. They’re usually just casting around for some topic for small talk. I mean, I don’t think if someone said, “I sell insurance. I used to work at a hardware store for years, which I liked but it was too hard on my feet. To be honest, now I’m hoping to get into financial planning, instead,” that you’d think the person was trying to “justify” his choice to sell insurance or make himself sound important. Maybe he just wants you to know that he would be happy to debate DeWalt vs Black & Decker!
Yeah.

I think it is easy to forget that women have whole past lives pre-baby, many of which are quite interesting. Also, mentioning those past lives may dig up some points of contact between new acquaintances.
 
Yeah.

I think it is easy to forget that women have whole past lives pre-baby, many of which are quite interesting. Also, mentioning those past lives may dig up some points of contact between new acquaintances.
The problem is that I used to teach chemistry. Talk about a conversation killer! 😛 😃
 
What’s the problem with teaching chemistry? Chemistry is fun, almost as much so as math, which is almost as cool as chemical engineering, which is the pinnacle of coolness.
 
Isn’t it possible to hear someone mention what he or she used to do and what he or she plans to do without projecting some need to justify themselves on to that?

When people ask what you do, it usually isn’t meant to justify your existence. Some people are that shallow, but most people aren’t. They’re usually just casting around for some topic for small talk. I mean, I don’t think if someone said, “I sell insurance. I used to work at a hardware store for years, which I liked but it was too hard on my feet. To be honest, now I’m hoping to get into financial planning, instead,” that you’d think the person was trying to “justify” his choice to sell insurance or make himself sound important. Maybe he just wants you to know that he would be happy to debate DeWalt vs Black & Decker!
Right. If I’m making small talk with someone, I can generally hazard a safe bet as to what are and aren’t appropriate topics of conversation. In terms of what’s been going on with me lately as SAHM to an 11-month-old, my conversational choices are limited in audience, to say the least.

“What have I done this week? Well, yesterday DH and I learned that communication on just how much fruit we give DD is important. Between us, she got apricots, pears, and peaches within a few hours of each other. Her naptime diaper quite literally exploded all over her bed, and I think the smell may have caused the cat permanent brain damage, not that you could really tell much of a difference with that animal.”

Yeah, not that many people want to hear that while they’re over for dinner.

“That reminds me of this hilarious case I worked on back when I was working for XYZ insurance company…” has a rather wider audience. 😉
 
“That reminds me of this hilarious case I worked on back when I was working for XYZ insurance company…” has a rather wider audience. 😉
Gee I don’t know. On some days I can’t tell the difference between a toddler and an incompetent/unbearable co-worker.

Yep, that’s my professional experience right there. 8P
 
What’s the problem with teaching chemistry? Chemistry is fun, almost as much so as math, which is almost as cool as chemical engineering, which is the pinnacle of coolness.
Yes, because a chemical engineer is like a Grape Nut, which is not a grape and not…

OK, that is not a joke that chemical engineers tend to like. 😉

I remember another chemistry teacher telling me that while he would divulge that he was a teacher, and would even divulge that he taught at a college, if pressed, he tried not to divulge that he taught chemistry, because it seemed such an unerring way to stop the conversation dead in its tracks before sending it off in another direction. “Oh. Well. Hmm… so what do you do on weekends?” 😃 (Or, worse yet: “OMG!! I HATED Chemistry!!! I thought it was going to kill me! … So, OK, well, ahem, so, what do you do on weekends?”
 
Gee I don’t know. On some days I can’t tell the difference between a toddler and an incompetent/unbearable co-worker.

Yep, that’s my professional experience right there. 8P
I have found as a private strategy that assigning maturity ages to people I meet in my head produces great results.
 
Isn’t it possible to hear someone mention what he or she used to do and what he or she plans to do without projecting some need to justify themselves on to that?
I don’t know. Maybe. But I’ve heard many people say that a woman must have a good excuse to not work and stay at home. This wasn’t directed at me, more of a general point, but I still resented that attitude. In the end, it shows that people define others in terms of a job they hold or used to have. It’s a question of identity and a job is perhaps the easiest label to pin on someone. I can think of better things to talk about with people, and I think this is a case of having other interests outside of work.
 
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