The Commissioner is a Catholic, and kissing a Bishop’s ring is customary. Any Catholic who has any sense of etiquette would know to kiss his Bishop’s ring.I really like the show Blue Bloods, except when it goes into specifically Catholic themes about which the writers seem to know nothing. They found it necessary to go into homosexuality last night and totally misrepresented the Catholic viewpoint. Then by way of dismissal they had the bishop dismissing Chief Reagan by the bishop holding out his ring for Reagan to kiss, implying some sort of humiliation of Reagan. Anybody else bothered by this episode?
Yes, I thought that there was no reason for the commissioner to have to make a point that he disagreed with the Catholic church, didn’t see a reason for that to be in the scene other than the show wanting to make a statement.The Commissioner is a Catholic, and kissing a Bishop’s ring is customary. Any Catholic who has any sense of etiquette would know to kiss his Bishop’s ring.
There was nothing humiliating for the Commissioner in that scene.
Well, yes, the dissent part I get. But there’s nothing objectionable about the ring-kissing. That’s a very Catholic thing.Yes, I thought that there was no reason for the commissioner to have to make a point that he disagreed with the Catholic church, didn’t see a reason for that to be in the scene other than the show wanting to make a statement.
He didn’t say anything about passing judgement, he said that the Church was behind the times and implied the Church was wrong.I think that the episode under discussion effectively dramatized how many Catholics feel that it is not their individual responsibility to pass judgement on the sexual orientation of others and don’t want to be put in the position of having routinely to condemn homosexuality - even the Catholics who have a “reserved pew up front.”
Yes, on that, the Commissioner was wrong.He didn’t say anything about passing judgement, he said that the Church was behind the times and implied the Church was wrong.
Yes, but they showed a very common attitude by many people that are Catholic. Sadly.He didn’t say anything about passing judgement, he said that the Church was behind the times and implied the Church was wrong.
Yes and that attitude is that they themselves are more of an authority on morals than the Church.Yes, but they showed a very common attitude by many people that are Catholic. Sadly.
As I recall, the Commissioner was asked by a reporter to pass judgement, as a Catholic, generally on police officers who are gay. I think his comment about the Church being behind times was in regard to the judgement by some in the Church that people who are gay are somehow more unworthy of “the promises of Christ” than are other sinners. I think the point was brought home by the nun commenting that when she left home in response to being called to Holy Orders by Lord Jesus Christ, she kissed her girl friend goodbye.He didn’t say anything about passing judgement, he said that the Church was behind the times and implied the Church was wrong.
I saw it twice, hoping to see that is what it was, but it was not.As I recall, the Commissioner was asked by a reporter to pass judgement, as a Catholic, generally on police officers who are gay. I think his comment about the Church being behind times was in regard to the judgement by some in the Church that people who are gay are somehow more unworthy of “the promises of Christ” than are other sinners. I think the point was brought home by the nun commenting that when she left home in response to being called to Holy Orders by Lord Jesus Christ, she kissed her girl friend goodbye.
ExactlyYes, I thought that there was no reason for the commissioner to have to make a point that he disagreed with the Catholic church, didn’t see a reason for that to be in the scene other than the show wanting to make a statement.
To try to clarify, it wasn’t kissing the bishop’s ring, it was how the gesture was presented. First there was a foreshadowing closeup of the bishop’s ring as bishop and commissioner did some back and forth, then the clear extension of bishop’s hand with ring as (to me) the closing of the discussion with a clear implication of who was boss and a nod to the idea of the Catholic church trying to run Catholics who have political office. I recognize some anti-Catholic symbolic hot buttons here and I’m thinking they were not accidental.The Commissioner is a Catholic, and kissing a Bishop’s ring is customary. Any Catholic who has any sense of etiquette would know to kiss his Bishop’s ring.
There was nothing humiliating for the Commissioner in that scene.
I have little or no opportunity to meet bishops, but that is what I’d have thought looking at news clips. He certainly wouldn’t be shoving itiMaybe I’m just lacking in etiquette. I’ve met and talked with several bishops on some social occasions and never had occasion to kiss the bishop’s ring. Never noticed anyone else dong it either. I think the bishop might have been startled and pulled back his hand if someone had attempted it.
The ring kissing scene was not the least favorable portrayal of the bishop. The bishop’s considerations when contrasted with the nun’s concerns were not very ministerial. The bishop was focused only on the real estate value of the school that the nun was trying to keep open. The nun was concerned about educating the next generation of Catholics, and she had data-based evidence for keeping the school open. When the commissioner advised the bishop that he had brought documentation to inform the bishop’s decision about the school, the bishop became very transactional offering to reconsider closing the school if the commissioner did X and Y for the bishop. The commission agreed to X but could not do Y which involved accepting an award because he felt that would be inappropriate. The ring kissing scene was the culmination of a very unflattering portrayal of a bishop who had his priories out of whack - in my opinion.Exactly
To try to clarify, it wasn’t kissing the bishop’s ring, it was how the gesture was presented. First there was a foreshadowing closeup of the bishop’s ring as bishop and commissioner did some back and forth, then the clear extension of bishop’s hand with ring as (to me) the closing of the discussion with a clear implication of who was boss and a nod to the idea of the Catholic church trying to run Catholics who have political office. I recognize some anti-Catholic symbolic hot buttons here and I’m thinking they were not accidental.
Also, the sister remarked that she didn’t regret anything from her former life. Presumably that would include a lesbian lifestyle with her girlfriend.
So, the only person having a problem with same sex…sex is the mean, haughty bishop.