Bold statement on Marriage by a Protestant

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Protestants do you agree with this statement?

**“No one indeed can deny that marriage is an external worldly thing, like clothes and food, house and home, subject to worldly authority, as shown by so many imperial laws governing it.” **

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Jonfan
 
jonfan said:
Protestants do you agree with this statement?

**“No one indeed can deny that marriage is an external worldly thing, like clothes and food, house and home, subject to worldly authority, as shown by so many imperial laws governing it.” **

Thank you and God bless,
Jonfan
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I don’t know who you are quoting (although I’m sure you’ll tell us after you have a few fish on the hook). Marriage has both a spiritual and civil side. You can be married in the eyes of God and the Church …and married in the eyes of the State. Generally, it’s best to be married in the eyes of both God, Church and State. 😉
 
I’ll guess it’s Luther (taken from context no doubt).

The point is that marriage, since it is practiced by pagans as well as Christians is not a sacrament but a covenant, essentially civil, though for most people (Christian or otherwise) with a necessary sacral and religious aspect.

Other than begging God’s blessing upon the union and offering it to honor Him and asking His guidance and presence in the common life of the couple, I don’t really see where there is anything particularly Christian about it.
 
LeahInancsi said:
That seems pointless. If non-believers don’t believe there is a God, then someone who doesn’t exist cannot bless a union.
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I think maybe that might have been Daniel’s point to the poster as the poster said he saw nothing Christian about marriage.

God bless,
Jonfan
 
jonfan said:
Protestants do you agree with this statement?

**“No one indeed can deny that marriage is an external worldly thing, like clothes and food, house and home, subject to worldly authority, as shown by so many imperial laws governing it.” **

Thank you and God bless,
Jonfan
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Marriage is given to all Christian by us to God, the blessing and covenant that we have and commit into his hand. Non believer might not able to understand the unity of Christian marriage, to us marriage is sacred and see not separation till us part…
 
jonfan said:
Protestants do you agree with this statement?

**“No one indeed can deny that marriage is an external worldly thing, like clothes and food, house and home, subject to worldly authority, as shown by so many imperial laws governing it.” **

Thank you and God bless,
Jonfan
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Hi Jon,

Marriage was designed by God to be of one man and one woman to become ONE. 😃 It is man who has turned it into a wordly thing. :mad: I would venture to say that the reason why there are rules (laws)you have to abide by is for monetary reasons and census and statistics. Marriage is between God and the married couple. Unfortunately we have to abide by these laws. For example–why do we have to get a blood test before we can get married? I never could figure that requirement out. Why should I have to pay a fee to the town in which I get married? It probably all comes down to money at some level.😦 You know how us humans love money;)
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi Jon,

Marriage was designed by God to be of one man and one woman to become ONE. 😃 It is man who has turned it into a wordly thing. :mad: I would venture to say that the reason why there are rules (laws)you have to abide by is for monetary reasons and census and statistics. Marriage is between God and the married couple. Unfortunately we have to abide by these laws. For example–why do we have to get a blood test before we can get married? I never could figure that requirement out. Why should I have to pay a fee to the town in which I get married? It probably all comes down to money at some level.😦 You know how us humans love money;)
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Right. I believe it is a blessing by God. Luther however didn’t.
Here is alink on why they do Blood testing:
ask.yahoo.com/20040825.html

Hope it helps.

God bless,
JOnfan
 
Luther also said this about marriage…so, you can see, context is important:

“For although it is a worldly estate, nevertheless it has God’s Word on its side and it is not a human invention or institution, like the estate of monks and nuns. Therefore it should easily be reckoned a hundred times more spiritual than the monastic estate, which certainly ought to be considered the most worldly and fleshly of all, because it was invented and instituted by flesh and blood and completely out of worldly understanding and reason”

Marriage is certainly ordered and instituted by God, but He is God not only of believers but of unbelievers as well. Though they never acknowledge Him, He is their Creator, Sustainer and Highest Good. That pagans have marriage doesn’t change this.

Luther takes issue with marriage being made a sacrament of the church, not with God’s institution on the “one flesh” provision which applies not only to Christians but to all.

This is what is known as a nuanced perspective. Taking quotations out of context to prove a polemical point is, well, it’s shoddy is what it is.
 
So you and Luther believe Marriage is not a holy insititution given by God?

God bless,
Jonfan
 
It seems to me that Marriage isn’t a holy institutation given by God if it can be ended at the county courthouse.
 
LeahInancsi said:
It seems to me that Marriage isn’t a holy institutation given by God if it can be ended at the county courthouse.
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The way I look at it is, if a marriage took place in a courthouse it will end in a courthouse.
 
Steadfast said:
Do you think that’s a fair assessment of Luther’s position on the subject?
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I think Luther was arguing the fact that Marriage isn’t a scarament but I think Luther took it too far by calling it a wordly thing. If I marry my Christian wife in front of God than we are married in the body of Christ thus a sacrament of God.
 
jonfan said:
I think Luther was arguing the fact that Marriage isn’t a scarament but I think Luther took it too far by calling it a wordly thing. If I marry my Christian wife in front of God than we are married in the body of Christ thus a sacrament of God.
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Did you see my post where I gave another quote by Luther regarding marriage where he says:
“For although it is a worldly estate, nevertheless** it has God’s Word on its side and it is not a human invention or institution…**”
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jonfan said:
I don’t get it. ??? Is he saying marriage is a worldy thing instituted by God?
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He’s saying that marriage is a pre-covenantal estate created by God for all men and women. Elsewhere he says that Christians ought to be married in the sight of God, imploring His blessing and so on and to this day, Lutherans marry in the Church.

But there is nothing specifically Christian about the estate itself except, of course, for Christians, in which case, everything they do is informed by faith.
 
Steadfast said:
He’s saying that marriage is a pre-covenantal estate created by God for all men and women. Elsewhere he says that Christians ought to be married in the sight of God, imploring His blessing and so on and to this day, Lutherans marry in the Church.

But there is nothing specifically Christian about the estate itself except, of course, for Christians, in which case, everything they do is informed by faith.
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Ok so Christians who are informed get married in front of God and have his blessing?
 
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