Bolsonaro takes office in Brazil, says nation 'liberated from socialism'

[Victoria33]

Orban won by a 2/3 majority? A few thousand protesters don’t quite match that.

That doesn’t mean the people agree on every issue with him. That could be principally over combating immigration. Protesting day after day which I think I’ve read, may mean something as well.

 

[Ridgerunner]

It might. Probably his supporters are at least somewhat diverse. But getting Soros fingers out of Hungarian higher education just can’t be all that terrible a thing to do.

 

[Victoria33]

I consider that, that country’s business, not mine and it sounds like plenty of people object to it.

One can dismiss the protesters, these are not small protests. The below picture is from April but there have been plenty since.

Viktor Orban’s victory prompts protest in Budapest​

Organisers estimate size of the crowd at over 100,000, calling for a recount of ballots, free media, a new election law.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...-promps-protest-budapest-180414213111251.html

 

[Victoria33]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-bolsonaro-says-he-is-open-to-hosting-a-u-s-military-base-idUSKCN1OX1SR

…

Bolsonaro, who took power on Tuesday, said that Russia’s support of President Nicolas Maduro’s “dictatorship” in neighboring Venezuela had significantly ramped up tensions in the region and was a worrying development.

Asked by the SBT TV network in an interview taped on Thursday if that meant he would allow U.S. military presence in Brazil, Bolsonaro responded that he would certainly be willing to negotiate that possibility.

 

[Ioannes_L]

Please don’t post these questionable news, after all if someone is pro-Christian values, pro-morality, pro-life, pro-family and against debauchery he’s called far-right and often painted as Hitler reincarnated. He’s called here by many names: nazi, fascist, hater, homophobe, racist…
And if you read the silly Al Jazeera story they try to frame president Bolsonaro again and again.

Don’t buy these stupid stories, they’re trying to sell them here even before the elections. The so-called leaders and representatives of these minorities were and are trying to create fear, saying that he will persecute the indians and homosexuals, that he will arrest people, that when he facilitate the access to guns violence will increase, that he will do this and that.

 

[Ioannes_L]

And what’s the problem if Brazil hosts a U.S. military base?

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’m not trying to start an argument about this particular thing, though it might, despite my intentions. One of the posted condemnations of Bolsonaro is that he is believed not to intend to go forward with “indigenous areas” for Indians who are not acclimated to modernity in Brazil.

It isn’t as if there are no others in Brazil who are Indian or part Indian, but who are fully engaged in modern life in Brazil. The same is true of African-Brazilians.

Other than Rousseauvian romanticism, is there any good reason to provide what amount to “reservations” in Brazil where Indians are kept in primitive conditions like so many zoo animals? A visit to some of the reservations in the U.S. might disabuse a person of the merit of doing that.

 

[Victoria33]

And what’s the problem if Brazil hosts a U.S. military base?

And where did I say anything about what you are asserting? Would you like it if I were implying you said something you didn’t? Or even accusing another in this manner. That would not seem honest. It’s seems unkind as well and shows a lack of good will. Or perhaps, English is not your first language. I do resent though, the tones of these posts. This is a discussion forum. I will not be intimidated.

Please don’t post these questionable news, after all if someone is pro-Christian values, pro-morality, pro-life, pro-family and against debauchery he’s called far-right and often painted as Hitler reincarnated. He’s called here by many names: nazi, fascist, hater, homophobe, racist…
And if you read the silly Al Jazeera story they try to frame president Bolsonaro again and again.

Don’t buy these stupid stories, they’re trying to sell them here even before the elections. The so-called leaders and representatives of these minorities were and are trying to create fear, saying that he will persecute the indians and homosexuals, that he will arrest people, that when he facilitate the access to guns violence will increase, that he will do this and that.

Please don’t tell me what to do, these are news stories. This is a news forum. This is for discussion, perhaps, if you don’t like discussion, you are in the wrong place. These news sources are mainstream enough that your assertions are insulting.

Are you a moderator? If there are problems with the stories, please report them, not order others to do what you want them to do. I would apologize to anyone I treated in such a manner.

 

[graciew]

May I ask one question in good faith?
As an ESL person,please help me use the terms properly.
My understanding…is:
We used to say “ indians and cowboys “ when we watched movies. Maaany years ago.
Now ,people coming from India are Indians.
Indigenous people and aboriginal people ,isn’t that the term used for native people who live in their original way?
Which are the proper terms in English for each case?
Thank you!

 

[Theo520]

As an ESL person,please help me use the terms properly.
My understanding…is:
We used to say “ indians and cowboys “ when we watched movies. Maaany years ago.
Now ,people coming from India are Indians.
Indigenous people and aboriginal people ,isn’t that the term used for native people who live in their original way?
Which are the proper terms in English for each case?
Thank you!

I think the usage varies a bit by country.

• Indigenous or aboriginal is accurate, for all countries.
• Native American is what I hear most in the US today
• Aboriginal is what I hear in Australia
• Indigenous is what I think is most common in Canada

 

[Ioannes_L]

And where did I say anything about what you are asserting? Would you like it if I were implying you said something you didn’t? Or even accusing another in this manner. That would not seem honest. It’s seems unkind as well and shows a lack of good will. Or perhaps, English is not your first language. I do resent though, the tones of these posts. This is a discussion forum.

You posted this link:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-to-hosting-a-u-s-military-base-idUSKCN1OX1SR
So I was just asking, in good faith, what would be the problem if Brazil hosts a U.S. military base,
I wasn’t accusing, or implying, or being dishonest. And no, as a Brazilian citizen, English is my second language.

I will not be intimidated.

And where on Earth have I intimidated you?
I’m not attacking or threatening you, I’m just discussing here and honestly, regreting the moment I decided to join this discussion.

Are you a moderator? If there are problems with the stories, please report them, not order others to do what you want them to do. I would apologize to anyone I treated in such a manner.

I’m not ordering you to do anything, I’m just saying you not to believe in this corrupt, left-wing media, as said here:

after all if someone is pro-Christian values, pro-morality, pro-life, pro-family and against debauchery he’s called far-right and often painted as Hitler reincarnated.

By the way, there’s no need to attack me or anyone like this here.

I’m simply leaving this thread, for the level of the discussions have become a bit too much for me…

 

[graciew]

Thank you very much, Theo.

 

[graciew]

I’m simply leaving this thread, for the level of the discussions have become a bit too much for me…

Why don’t you stay,Ioanes?
It is always good to have a representative of such a beautiful country as yours.
Sometimes a bit of debate builds character ( we are a bit overtrained, must admit).
Have a great day all!

 

[LastStand]

No, an alliance of mutually supporting countries keeping their separate identities while resisting mass 3rd world immigration, degeneracy, feminism, homosexuality, communism, and Islam is the antithesis of globalism.

The inevitability of history is a communist falsehood. Numerous empires dominated significant parts of the world and then broke up into separate nations. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

 

[billsherman]

No, an alliance of mutually supporting countries keeping their separate identities while resisting mass 3rd world immigration, degeneracy, feminism, homosexuality, communism, and Islam is the antithesis of globalism.

Just so I can be clear here, what do you think globalism is? It certainly isn’t “mass 3rd world immigration, degeneracy, feminism, homosexuality, communism, and Islam.” If I didn’t know any better I might say you think globalism is just a list of things you don’t like.

Also, you might want to reevaluate that list of things you don’t like in light of the Church’s thinking. You know, the whole “love your neighbor” thing.

The inevitability of history is a communist falsehood. Numerous empires dominated significant parts of the world and then broke up into separate nations. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

I hate to tell you, but the idea of teleological history long predates communism. Also, I never invoked it, because no modern historian takes that idea seriously. Like it, or not, the world has been globalizing pretty much since recorded history begins. The Gospels themselves are evidence of this trend. But then again, I’m not certain what you think globalism is.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Other than Rousseauvian romanticism, is there any good reason to provide what amount to “reservations” in Brazil where Indians are kept in primitive conditions like so many zoo animals? A visit to some of the reservations in the U.S. might disabuse a person of the merit of doing that.

Normally the justification is some idea of self-determination or autonomy. Why is it up to the Brazilian government, or any “modern” government, to bring these people into modernity? Leave them be, let them live their own lives and structure their own society. And what’s the alternative? I don’t see why it’s better to be some unskilled, low paid wage labourer than it is to live in an indigenous community.

 

[LastStand]

Just so I can be clear here, what do you think globalism is? It certainly isn’t “mass 3rd world immigration, degeneracy, feminism, homosexuality, communism, and Islam.” If I didn’t know any better I might say you think globalism is just a list of things you don’t like.

Those are all aspects of the Leftism that is spreading across the world like a cancer. Globalism is just a convenient shorthand reminding us of their ultimate objective.

Also, you might want to reevaluate that list of things you don’t like in light of the Church’s thinking. You know, the whole “love your neighbor” thing.

Good walls make good neighbors and it is far easier to love them.

I hate to tell you, but the idea of teleological history long predates communism. Also, I never invoked it, because no modern historian takes that idea seriously. Like it, or not, the world has been globalizing pretty much since recorded history begins. The Gospels themselves are evidence of this trend. But then again, I’m not certain what you think globalism is.

You just claimed that globalism is inevitable result of what has happened and will happen. The communists may not have invented the concept of teleological history, but Mark and Hegel are probably the best-known proponents of it.

 

[dvdjs]

Good walls make good neighbors

Mending Wall

…

He only says, “Good fences make good neighbors.”
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbors? Isn’t it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I’d ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,
That wants it down!" I could say “Elves” to him,
But it’s not elves exactly, and I’d rather
He said it for himself. I see him there,
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Should the Indians be kept ignorant of civilization?

And if they learn of it and want, say, cell phones, should they be denied?

Generally speaking, people don’t choose to live in primitive conditions if they have a choice.

 

[Victoria33]

Should the Indians be kept ignorant of civilization?

And if they learn of it and want, say, cell phones, should they be denied?

Generally speaking, people don’t choose to live in primitive conditions if they have a choice.

Remember that Missionary who went into that secluded part of India, an island and got killed about 2 months ago? I think one report said just the fact that he carried germs that they had not been in contact with presented a threat.