Book Claims Catholic Campaign for Human Development Paid for Some of Obama’s Alinksy Training

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This story, if true, that the U.S. Bishops’ Campaign for Human Development helped fund young Obama’s training in “community organizing” by a group founded by the left-wing radical Saul Alinsky, is highly ironic, considering what President Obama is now doing to the Catholic Church in this country.
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If this story is accurate, it is highly disturbing.
 
Didn’t high-ranking Communist Party USA-lawyer-turned-Catholic (THANK YOU, MONSIGNOR SHEEN) Bella Dodd warn the Church? Dodd said the CPUSA infiltrated 1,100 men unfit for the priesthood into seminaries. Didn’t Dodd warn us that Communists don’t want compromise, they want total destruction of Western civilization? Isn’t that Barack’s strategy with the Catholic Church? Lawyer-author Stephen Pidgeon says in his new book that Barack is a deep-cover Communist trained at Russia’s Patrice Lumumba University during his wildly unsubstantiated Columbia University time. PS Clinton got training in Russia after leaving Oxford; and MS Magazine’s Gloria Steinem did as well. Here’s Stephen Pidgeon’s Chicago-style deep dish YouTube interview. C’mon. Wake up. “By their fruits you will know them.”

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May the Lord enlighten the eyes of our hearts. AMEN
 
I believe there is an entire website devoted to CCHD reform - www.reformcchdnow.com.

You need to be very careful with any of the traditional or older charitable groups. A few have been corrupted. Some of the new ones are devoted to activities opposed to church teaching.

I like donating to groups that follow the church teaching with zeal. Here are a couple.

a. Right here - Catholic.com
b. www.churchmilitant.tv
c. www.mileschristi.org
 
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aul Alinsky
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Born Saul David Alinsky
January 30, 1909
Chicago, Illinois
Died June 12, 1972 (aged 63)
Carmel, California
Cause of death Heart attack
Nationality American
Education University of Chicago, Ph.B. 1930
U. of Chicago Graduate School, criminology, 1930–1932
Occupation Community organizer, Writer
Known for writing on politics
Notable work(s) Rules for Radicals
Influenced Ed Chambers, Tom Gaudette, Ernesto Cortes, Cesar Chavez, Michael Gecan, Wade Rathke, Patrick Crowley
Religion Jewish
Spouse Helene Simon of Philadelphia, m. 9 June 1932 – her death
Jean Graham, 15 May 1952 – div 1970
Irene Alinsky, May 1971
Children Katherine and David (by Helene)
Parents Benjamin Alinsky (tailor and landlord)
Sarah Tannenbaum
Relatives two half brothers and a half sister from his father’s earlier marriage
a younger brother died in childhood
Awards Pacem in Terris Award, 1969
Notes
[1] [2][3][4]
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Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing, and has been compared to Thomas Paine as being “one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left.”[4] He is often noted for his book Rules for Radicals.
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In the course of nearly four decades of political organizing, Alinsky received much criticism, but also gained praise from many public figures. His organizing skills were focused on improving the living conditions of poor communities across North America. In the 1950s, he began turning his attention to improving conditions of the African-American ghettos, beginning with Chicago’s and later traveling to other ghettos in California, Michigan, New York City, and a dozen other “trouble spots”.
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His ideas were later adapted by some U.S. college students and other young organizers in the late 1960s and formed part of their strategies for organizing on campus and beyond.[5] Time magazine once wrote that “American democracy is being altered by Alinsky’s ideas,” and conservative author William F. Buckley said he was “very close to being an organizational genius.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
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Sounds like a St Francis sort of guy to me.

Jim
 
Right. “nuanced”.

Technically, it wasn’t “dedicated” to Lucifer, Alinsky just quoted himself (got ego?) regarding Lucifer in a page of quotations in the beginning of his own book. More of an “acknowledgement”.
Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder
acknowledgement to the very first radical: from all
our legends, mythology, and history (and who is
to know where mythology leaves off and history begins–
or which is which), the first radical known to man
who rebelled against the establishment and did it
so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom
–Lucifer
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–Saul Alinsky
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Not what I would call a “a St Francis sort of guy” at all.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Sounds like a St Francis sort of guy to me.

Jim
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From the same Wikipedia article:
Alinsky died of a sudden, massive heart attack in 1972, on a street corner in Carmel, California, at the age of 63. Two months previously, he discussed life after death in his interview with Playboy:
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ALINSKY: … if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
PLAYBOY: Why?
ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I’ve been with the have-nots. Over here, if you’re a have-not, you’re short of dough. If you’re a have-not in hell, you’re short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I’ll start organizing the have-nots over there.
PLAYBOY: Why them?
ALINSKY: They’re my kind of people.
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Flippant at best, blasphemous at worst. Yes, his organizing methods can be used to achieve good ends, and he no doubt helped a lot of people in need. But Alinsky’s motives were questionable, to say the least.

And that, I think, is the problem with CCHD - they partner with various secular organizations, without regard to their deeper agenda.
 
JaMc said:
From the same Wikipedia article:Flippant at best, blasphemous at worst. Yes, his organizing methods can be used to achieve good ends, and he no doubt helped a lot of people in need. But Alinsky’s motives were questionable, to say the least.

And that, I think, is the problem with CCHD - they partner with various secular organizations, without regard to their deeper agenda.
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I was referring to the part of wiki-pedia portion I posted;
In the course of nearly four decades of political organizing, Alinsky received much criticism, but also gained praise from many public figures. His organizing skills were focused on improving the living conditions of poor communities across North America. In the 1950s, he began turning his attention to improving conditions of the African-American ghettos, beginning with Chicago’s and later traveling to other ghettos in California, Michigan, New York City, and a dozen other “trouble spots”.
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His ideas were later adapted by some U.S. college students and other young organizers in the late 1960s and formed part of their strategies for organizing on campus and beyond.[5] Time magazine once wrote that “American democracy is being altered by Alinsky’s ideas,” and conservative author William F. Buckley said he was “very close to being an organizational genius.”
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I knew nothing about the man until I read this, and he seems like he tried to help the poor and dejected, ala St. Francis.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I was referring to the part of wiki-pedia portion I posted;

I knew nothing about the man until I read this, and he seems like he tried to help the poor and dejected, ala St. Francis.

Jim
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You need to explore WHY he was “helping” the poor and dejected. It was all to gain political power and expand socialism.
 
zz912 said:
You need to explore WHY he was “helping” the poor and dejected. It was all to gain political power and expand socialism.
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I really don’t care about the other motives the man had.

Jim
 
I hope that this is not true. Of course, I don’t think they offered any proof to back this up with though. But then again, I could be wrong, maybe they did offer proof. Regardless, I still trust our Bishops to guide us correctly.
 
zz912 said:
Then you will be forever at the whims of those who wish to use you for their ulterior motives.
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All I’m saying is, I look at the good people do, what bad they did in their past is no concern of mine.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
All I’m saying is, I look at the good people do, what bad they did in their past is no concern of mine.

Jim
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Without question, Stalin made things better for some of the industrial workers, particularly in Moscow. Mao really did improve the lot of the poorest of the peasantry, at least for a time.

And 100 million murdered people are of no concern to you in light of that?:eek:
 
Ridgerunner said:
Without question, Stalin made things better for some of the industrial workers, particularly in Moscow. Mao really did improve the lot of the poorest of the peasantry, at least for a time.

And 100 million murdered people are of no concern to you in light of that?:eek:
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So you’re comparing the training Obama received at the Alinsky training seminar for community organizers to what Stalin did? :rolleyes:

Jim
 
I just read part of the book, which Amazon.com has, and I understand something about who this guy is.

During the 1930’s, there was a group of young people who were drawn toward the false idealism of socialism. Apparently, Alinsky was one of these.

They held to the ideology that a society built around equal condition for everyone, was the way to go, verses capitalism, which from the time they were living in was the great depression, caused by capitalism.

I just finished reading a book, “The Good Life,” by Helen and Scott Nearing, who in 1932, were teachers in NYC university, and were fired for their socialistic views. They end up in Vermont rebuilding a broken down farm and living for 20 years, off the land and virtually free of what they call, the “Stock Market Economy.” In their quest, they attempt to organize the neighbors around them into a socialistic community that work to build an equal society for all. The venture fails and what they came to learn the hard way is, unless everyone in a community shares the same ideology, socialism will not work.
It’s why communism works in Monasteries and Convents, but rarely in society.

Anyway, it was Alinsky’s ideas about how to organize a community that evolved in the school which Obama attended. Whether those ideas were the same as when Alinsky wrote his book, back in 1971 or not I have no idea.

Either way, it’s a far cry from being Stalinistic Communism as suggested here.

Jim
 
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