Book on Papal Authority that Will Change My Mind

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I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and I don’t believe the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.

However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
 
I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained
What part of “whatsoever you shall bind on earth ***shall have been bound ***in Heaven” don’t you understand? Don’t the Bishops have this authority to grant a binding final authority to one of their members?

And I am being serious!

I have no books to recommend but ISTM if there is no pope, everyone becomes their own pope (final authority).

peace
steve
 
I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and I don’t believe the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.

However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
I don’t know of a good book off of the top of my head although I’m sure Catholic Answers has tons of resources and other posters will as well!

I’d just say that in order for the Church to be one, she needs to have one ultimate authority, otherwise there will always be division. In order to ultimately prevent division, one person needs to be at the top with supreme authority.
 
What part of “whatsoever you shall bind on earth ***shall have been bound ***in Heaven” don’t you understand? Don’t the Bishops have this authority to grant a binding final authority to one of their members?

And I am being serious!

I have no books to recommend but ISTM if there is no pope, everyone becomes their own pope (final authority).

peace
steve
This reaction to the OP’s good question is exactly what keeps me on the fence about continuing to be Catholic. What may keep me in the fold is that it’s not the shepherds I have trouble with, it’s sheep like this one. Very uncharitable and presumptuous to think that there is only one possible interpretation of that scripture. I understand that the Catholic Church interprets it this way, but to attack someone and belittle their question based on your own assumptions is what’s wrong with so many holier than thou fundamentalist catholic lay people.
 
I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and I don’t believe the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.

However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
Just curious, how do you reason Peter being set apart from the other apostles? How do you understand the passage about “You are Peter (meaning rock), and on this rock I will build my Church”? How do you reason away that Jesus (God) gave Simon a new name (Peter), just as he had done for other Patriarchs of the OT, such as Abraham (Abram) and the others?
 
The Catechism itself can be quite illuminating. I recently read the following paragraph in the chapter on the Eucharist (emphasis added):

1369 The whole Church is united with the offering and intercession of Christ. Since he has the ministry of Peter in the Church, the Pope is associated with every celebration of the Eucharist, wherein he is named as the sign and servant of the unity of the universal Church. The bishop of the place is always responsible for the Eucharist, even when a priest presides; the bishop’s name is mentioned to signify his presidency over the particular Church, in the midst of his presbyterium and with the assistance of deacons. The community intercedes also for all ministers who, for it and with it, offer the Eucharistic sacrifice:

Let only that Eucharist be regarded as legitimate, which is celebrated under [the presidency of] the bishop or him to whom he has entrusted it.
Through the ministry of priests the spiritual sacrifice of the faithful is completed in union with the sacrifice of Christ the only Mediator, which in the Eucharist is offered through the priests’ hands in the name of the whole Church in an unbloody and sacramental manner until the Lord himself comes.

Simply, if one is in unity with the Pope, that one is in unity with the Body of Christ. If one is out of unity with the Pope, that one is cut off (at least visibly) from the body of Christ.

A natural consequence of a single person being the sign of unity is that it requires at least intellectual assent to his statements and actions as they align to Christ (i.e. faith and morals - personal opinions do not require such conformance). It also includes a duty to pray for him to follow Christ more closely.
 
Very uncharitable and presumptuous to think that there is only one possible interpretation of that scripture.
I’m not quite sure I understand. Your saying that as Catholics we should look to other interpretations? According to what I think you mean then the Catechism of the Catholic Church is presumptuous. Either the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus founded or it isn’t, no?
 
I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and I don’t believe the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.

However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
Jesus, Peter, and the Keys For personal reasons, I really wanted to become Orthodox, bit more than that, I wanted to follow the truth. This book uses ECFs, Orthodox, Protestant, and Catholic sources to show me that the Pope is what the Catholic Church teaches.

May God bless you for searching for His truth rather than settling for what you want 🙂
 
I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I** believe** it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome),
Bishops don’t give the pope their power. When Pope Benedict stepped down from the papacy, he no longer has that charism of infallibility promised to Peter. That alone stopls the idea that every bishop is Peter. They aren’t. The charism of infallibility doesn’t come from the man, it comes from the HS promised to Peter in his office as head of the Church. It doesn’t come from executive fiat, not from council, it comes from Jesus own words.
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but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and** I don’t believe** the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.
Faith is a gift from God. It doesn’t come from you. What you could say to God, I don’t believe, help my unbelief. and mean it of course. ;)See what happens

As an aside, when one says I believe, or I don’t believe, one needs to make sure they’re correct on both.
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However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
Others have given good reading recommendations.
 
I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and I don’t believe the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.

However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
I suspect that there are other forces at work than confusion over a single, discrete, and complex topic. I’d recommend honestly reflecting on your faith.

A good starting place may be an examination of conscience, followed by going to confession (usually scheduled around 4PM before the Saturday night mass). Here is a link to one similar to the one I use (mine is published in a book): beginningcatholic.com/catholic-examination-of-conscience.html

Read through it, reflect on it, and bring whatever sins you uncover to the priest. Express your doubts, too. Though doubts are not sinful, the priest may be able to say something that helps.

God asks you to work on his terms. Demanding an answer to an arbitrary stumbling block, will lead to you finding another stumbling block. Put your trust in God, and try to meet him halfway, using his presence in the Holy Sacraments to the best of your understanding and ability.
 
This reaction to the OP’s good question is exactly what keeps me on the fence about continuing to be Catholic. What may keep me in the fold is that it’s not the shepherds I have trouble with, it’s sheep like this one. Very uncharitable and presumptuous to think that there is only one possible interpretation of that scripture. I understand that the Catholic Church interprets it this way, but to attack someone and belittle their question based on your own assumptions is what’s wrong with so many holier than thou fundamentalist catholic lay people.
You are totally right–some people come on very aggressively. Sometimes it’s called for, other times, no. But please don’t let them block your search for God’s truth! Just ignore them or at least their tone, and consider Church teachings apart from us poor deliverers of the message. And if you pray for them, it might help them temper their posts…
 
What part of “whatsoever you shall bind on earth ***shall have been bound ***in Heaven” don’t you understand? Don’t the Bishops have this authority to grant a binding final authority to one of their members?

And I am being serious!

I have no books to recommend but ISTM if there is no pope, everyone becomes their own pope (final authority).

peace
steve
Thanks for adding absolutely nothing! I appreciate your concern (seriously, I do) but this thread is not for this kind of “encouragement.”
 
This reaction to the OP’s good question is exactly what keeps me on the fence about continuing to be Catholic. What may keep me in the fold is that it’s not the shepherds I have trouble with, it’s sheep like this one. Very uncharitable and presumptuous to think that there is only one possible interpretation of that scripture. I understand that the Catholic Church interprets it this way, but to attack someone and belittle their question based on your own assumptions is what’s wrong with so many holier than thou fundamentalist catholic lay people.
Amen.
 
I grew up in the Catholic Church but have recently fallen away from the Church, largely because of papal authority/infallibility. I don’t believe in either. I believe it is possible for a group of bishops to give their authority to one bishop (even the one in Rome), but I do not believe this authority was Divinely ordained and I don’t believe the pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth or protected infallibly by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals.

However, I would like to read even more than I already have on the subject. What do you think is the best book/apologetic on the authority of Rome, papal infallibility, the pope in general, etc.? If you had to convince a person to change his/her mind on this issue, but had only one book to do it, which would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for all of your time!
As far as I know, papal infallibility in the Catholic Church has to do with Divine Revelation. “Authority” is a whole other ballgame.

For me, the most simple, direct explanation of how papal infallibility works is chapter 14, in the Gospel of John.
 
Just curious, how do you reason Peter being set apart from the other apostles? How do you understand the passage about “You are Peter (meaning rock), and on this rock I will build my Church”? How do you reason away that Jesus (God) gave Simon a new name (Peter), just as he had done for other Patriarchs of the OT, such as Abraham (Abram) and the others?
Short answer…the same way the Orthodox do.
 
Jesus, Peter, and the Keys For personal reasons, I really wanted to become Orthodox, bit more than that, I wanted to follow the truth. This book uses ECFs, Orthodox, Protestant, and Catholic sources to show me that the Pope is what the Catholic Church teaches.

May God bless you for searching for His truth rather than settling for what you want 🙂
Thank you very much for this suggestion!
 
To the OP, another thought crossed my mind that is tangentially related to my post.

I mentioned that I don’t believe that it is a “single, discrete” issue that is tripping you up, but more general doubts and concerns.

I stumbled across a video in an other forum that described a man who had a brains disease that was treated by severing the nerves linking his two hemispheres of his brain. Each hemisphere controls half the body, and “hears” from only one ear.

When doctors asked the man if he believed in God through one ear, his right hemisphere indicated that he did. When doctors asked through the other ear, man responded that he did not. This implies that the brain handles belief in very complicated ways, and that different types of “proof” are needed based on the root cause of the concern.

Here is a link to a video if you are interested: Split brain with one half atheist and one half theist (Youtube).

When I was in college, I had similar doubts, but they were more insidious. Intellectually, I found that I still understood everything the Catholic Church taught, including Papal infallibility, and that logically the church teachings must be true.

Emotionally, though, I blanked out, and simply did not believe. I felt like an atheist.

Over the next few weeks, I struggled through some difficult conclusions. I realized that, in part, I was warding off doubts with a “just in case” mentality. I realized that if God were not real, I would be a wasting a significant portion of my life worshiping a non-existent being. My faith was not, in fact, contained to an hour a week, but permeated all my actions and relationships. Without God, I was an empty shell walking around and being nice, but missing out on all the “vices” that our society tells us are important.

Reaching these conclusions, ultimately strengthened my faith, but getting there took analysis and soul searching on my part. I went to confession several times during this time, rather than my approximate once a year that I’d previously managed (going to confession frequently is still something I struggle with, and don’t do nearly enough). Intellectually knowing I was in God’s good graces after confession, even if I didn’t quite feel it, really helped.

Ultimately, living the faith requires understanding that you are going “all in” during the poker game of life. There is no walking the fence being belief and disbelief. I hope that you can work through your doubts to whichever hemisphere-of-your-brain-is-having-doubt’s satisfaction! 😉

Good Luck, and God Bless.
 
Just curious, how do you reason Peter being set apart from the other apostles? How do you understand the passage about “You are Peter (meaning rock), and on this rock I will build my Church”? How do you reason away that Jesus (God) gave Simon a new name (Peter), just as he had done for other Patriarchs of the OT, such as Abraham (Abram) and the others?
Short answer…the same way the Orthodox do.
What about the Orthodox understanding makes more sense to you than the Catholic understanding?
 
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