Book: The Hoax Called Evolution

[theistgal]

Hmm, I notice no one’s pointed out that:

1. Even if you prove the theory of evolution is wrong, that doesn’t automatically prove ID is correct.
2. Even if it’s proven that there is an intelligence behind creation, that doesn’t automatically prove that the intelligence is the Judeo-Christian God.

 

[mathematician]

This is a legitimate means of making a point. If it can be shown that the information used by both ‘sides’ is accurate, then why not? A single writer writes a play and puts words into everyone’s mouths to make his point, how is this different?

Peace,
Ed

Why not? Because if he tried to debate Francis Collins or Ken Miller or Francisco Ayala, instead of a strawman, he is the one who would pretty quickly end up looking an idiot. (Though only because he is one.)

 

[runholy]

Antony Flew, in his transformation from atheism to theism, studied the work of some of the greatest scientific minds in regards to evolution and divine design. He also has published an interesting book about his quest that discusses this matter called “There is a God”.

 

[Mrobertmy5]

Evolution

I do not understand your question of evolution.

But please let me share a piece of a story that hapened to me in the hospital while I was still in the birth canal neck deep.
I could see and hear this lady dressed in a white dress and a white cap on her head.
she stood there talking to the other end of me
As I could not see my feet where I was stuck being bounced around at.
I was in side of some one or some thing with my entire body stuck.
Not knowing that I had shrunk in size.
to a mear enfant size.
This lady and doctor both did not realize that I could both see them walking around.
And that I could clearly understand the english language as they spoke it word for word.
And I knew the meaning of each word.
That they had been saying to the other end.

Mrs Murphy, Your child is living and is breech birth at this moment on.
And is stuck where he is.
He can still be born the proper way and alife today But you need to push him free
of you.
If we have to choose for you who’s life to save.
We will have to euthinise the baby’s life for him.
and you will have lost a secound child.
By us having to remove him in pieces from your birthing canal.
In order to save your life.
You need to push him out.
I had no idea that I was in the middle of becoming mortal during child birth.
Just before this I saw a unborn child that was mortal laying there in the dark in puddles of water with an oily base to it as I had been placed in this liquid from a stand point my self.
I later published the entire story 47 pages in all with drawings as Title Now go and teach the people author Joseph A Murphy which is listed at Amazon.com
This is why I am pro life my self.
Because I came close to being destroyed my self at mortal birth.
So no one is alone.
In this big life.
Mortal child birth dose not come with out some pain during the procedure of a child being born.
It felt as if my own head for a split secound was being squeased off of my shoulders going through the canal opening.

 

[theistgal]

Evolution

I do not understand your question of evolution.

But please let me share a piece of a story that hapened to me in the hospital while I was still in the birth canal neck deep.

Why are you posting this here? There is absolutely nothing in your story of being born that would be affected one way or the other by the theory of evolution.

 

[kinja]

It’s too bad “Intelligent Design” biologists publish nothing at all in mainstream science journal for anyone to criticize. Could that be because they simply have no ideas to publish?

I think in part it may be due to the fact that they are wise enough to know that there is no proof or disproof for the theory of evolution to date. They simply think from the data in front of us that it is unlikely. People who espouse evolution should approach the theory with the same objectivity. Not this religious fervor that they do.

 

[theistgal]

Antony Flew, in his transformation from atheism to theism, studied the work of some of the greatest scientific minds in regards to evolution and divine design. He also has published an interesting book about his quest that discusses this matter called “There is a God”.

I have read this book. Mr. Flew makes it quite clear he is not a Christian, does not believe in an afterlife, and does not have any problem or disagreement with the theory of evolution - just in how it is sometimes misused by anti-theists.

 

[rossum]

Not this religious fervor that they do.

Interesting that you appear to be using “religious fervor” as a criticism.

rossum

 

[liquidpele]

I think in part it may be due to the fact that they are wise enough to know that there is no proof or disproof for the theory of evolution to date. They simply think from the data in front of us that it is unlikely. People who espouse evolution should approach the theory with the same objectivity. Not this religious fervor that they do.

Exactly… they’re just like those Gravity believers, using what amounts to religious fervor regarding gravity. It’s not like gravity is proven, it’s just a theory, why can’t they approach it with objectivity?

 

[StAnastasia]

I think in part it may be due to the fact that they are wise enough to know that there is no proof or disproof for the theory of evolution to date. They simply think from the data in front of us that it is unlikely. People who espouse evolution should approach the theory with the same objectivity. Not this religious fervor that they do.

There is no proof or disproof for the theories of gravity, plate tectonics, or the relationships between subatomic particles. And yet most educated people accept those theories as providing the best explanation for the phenomena in question. Evolution is no different.

StAnastasia

 

[theistgal]

Exactly… they’re just like those Gravity believers, using what amounts to religious fervor regarding gravity. It’s not like gravity is proven, it’s just a theory, why can’t they approach it with objectivity?

Yes, just because I fell off my treadmill by accidentally hitting the 10 mph button instead of the 1 mph button, does that mean gravity is true? No! It means I bought a cheap treadmill!

 

[StAnastasia]

Yes, just because I fell off my treadmill by accidentally hitting the 10 mph button instead of the 1 mph button, does that mean gravity is true? No! It means I bought a cheap treadmill!

But Newton’s theory – modified in light of Einstein and others – is the most cogent explanation at the physical level as to why you fell off. It wouldn’t work at the psychological or emotional levels.

StAnastasia

 

[VisionaryOne]

Most people do not understand that it will take one person in history to debunk Darwin’s theories and all of the science community will go into hiding. Everything they had thought of will become fire. Even if one of his theories is true, when one is uncovered to be untrue, it will all be thrown away.

All that is built on a lie and fabricated ideology shall greatly fall.

 

[StAnastasia]

Most people do not understand that it will take one person in history to debunk Darwin’s theories and all of the science community will go into hiding. Everything they had thought of will become fire. Even if one of his theories is true, when one is uncovered to be untrue, it will all be thrown away.

I’m not sure what fantasyland you inhabit, but evidently there are no scientists there. Who is the “one person in history who will debunk Darwin’s theories”? How will this person accomplish this? What makes you think scientists “will go into hiding?” Who will they be hiding from – the ignorant drooling crowds armed with torches and pitchforks marching on universities and other institutions of learning?

 

[JamesPaul58]

Hi:

I am James. Yes evolution is real in the light of God as a creative designer.

There is a book written by Christoph Cardinal Schonborn called “Change or Purpose”
Creation, Evolution and a Rational Faith. I think that it would give you insight to preset day theology on the subject. Its a bit weighty but understandable

 

[MGPenny]

I’ve always thought that debunking evolution was a fundamental Christian thing, arising from a prejudice against those who are educated.

I cannot find anything about this author’s education except what is listed on the book jacket - that he attended the Florida Institute of Technology and the University of Miami. A search of the archives of both universities show no thesis or dissertaion on record written by Mr. Conleigh. There are no scholarly publications listed that would indicate he has an advanced degree in any of the earth sciences (or any other field, for that matter). I found one reference that he was a computer tutor, but I cannot confirm that. This makes me highly suspect of a book that appears to be written by someone without the credentials to back his claims.

Bottom line is, our salvation is not reliant on an acceptance of evolution. :angel1:

 

[VisionaryOne]

I’m not sure what fantasyland you inhabit, but evidently there are no scientists there. Who is the “one person in history who will debunk Darwin’s theories”? How will this person accomplish this? What makes you think scientists “will go into hiding?” Who will they be hiding from – the ignorant drooling crowds armed with torches and pitchforks marching on universities and other institutions of learning?

You are not good with history I take it.

I do not predict future yet history is repeated by those that do not learn from it. Many generations throughout creation have debunked the idea of God and most were tormented by their own ideologies. The idea that we as humans descend from lower life creatures over millions of years is a fantasy land you inhabit. Darwin’s idea “Survival of the Fittest” is flawed on astounding levels. We are humans, not apes nor do we descend from apes.

Animals survive as nomads. The idea of Survival of the Fittest is related to animals. We humans are “Survival of the smartest”. We colonise parts of the world and remain till death. Ironically, the theology of Charles Darwin will be killed by Charles Darwin for it has major flaws and bottomless holes.

One person will debunk most of darwins theories in future by presenting new evidence that his theology and philosophy are flawed.

 

[StAnastasia]

Hi:

I am James. Yes evolution is real in the light of God as a creative designer.

There is a book written by Christoph Cardinal Schonborn called “Change or Purpose”
Creation, Evolution and a Rational Faith. I think that it would give you insight to preset day theology on the subject. Its a bit weighty but understandable

JamesPaul, I like the Cardinal Schoenborn’s spirit, but this in not a particularly good book. He dismisses evolution as without foundation. He has since come out with a retraction of that, I believe.

StAnastasia

 

[StAnastasia]

You are not good with history I take it…One person will debunk most of darwins theories in future by presenting new evidence that his theology and philosophy are flawed.

Well, my doctoral examination committee disagrees with you, as they awarded me the PhD. degree in history in 1993. What are your qualifications to comment on this issue?

However, as to your other point, evolution has been strengthened cumulatively since 1859, and is now a far stronger explanation of species diversity than it was when Darwin first proposed it in his Origin of Species. You are right to say that we are not apes; Homo sapiens and the apes descend from a common ancestor about five million years ago.

StAnastasia

 

[buffalo]

Most people do not understand that it will take one person in history to debunk Darwin’s theories and all of the science community will go into hiding. Everything they had thought of will become fire. Even if one of his theories is true, when one is uncovered to be untrue, it will all be thrown away.

All that is built on a lie and fabricated ideology shall greatly fall.

The Devils Delusion is now out in paperback.

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