Book X, Chapter Y, Verse Z...?

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If you use the duck principle btw you should believe in intelligent design. If it is apparent that something was designed, it should be apparent that there was a designer. If some entity designed everything its logical that they would know everything.
 
I recently had a discussion with a friend of mine about elections, in particular the studies that have shown that a significant number of people vote based upon nothing more than how a politician looks (i.e. photos on their posters). My friend opined that we can actually tell a lot about a person’s trustworthiness by examining their facial features. I objected with the old adage “You can’t judge a book by its cover”, a proverb that has stood the test of time. Does your duck principle not contradict this proverb, and if so can you please explain why the proverb is incorrect?
Let’s look at the duck principle in detail. It says: “if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, tastes like a duck, it is very probably a duck”. In other words, we do not just rely on one of the “features”, we walk “around” the subject, expose it many tests, and as long the tests support the hypothesis, we keep on relying on the hypothesis. It does not give us a “100%” assurance (there is no 100% assurance) that the hypothesis was right, but the assurance of “99.9999999…%” is more than sufficient.

The proverb, as is, is quite simplistic compared to the thorough analysis presented above. If you only look at the “cover”, you may very well be mistaken.

Giving another example: if you walk in the desert, and see a “lake-like” phenomenon in the distance, it is reasonable to say: “maybe it is just a mirage, since there are no known lakes around here, and the mirage is a likely occurence in this heat”. If, however, you actually reach the lake, dip into it, swim in it, drink some water from it, then it would be totally irrational to say: “but maybe all that evidence is just a mistake, and there is no lake around here”.

That is the lesson from the duck principle.
 
If you use the duck principle btw you should believe in intelligent design. If it is apparent that something was designed, it should be apparent that there was a designer. If some entity designed everything its logical that they would know everything.
Actually, it does not look designed. It is orderly, for sure. But order does not need an orderer, while design would necessitate a designer. You just regurgitate the old fallacy of confusing order with design.

A small suggestion: learn to use the “quote” feature better, and do not include your answer within the quoted text. It makes the conversation easier.
 
For an example of where it would be useful take a look at the immaculate misconception thread where there is an ongoing debate about whether the story of Abraham and Isaac is historical or allegorical. There are two conflicting ideas of what the story is and what it means and therefore what lessons to take from it. There must be many such disagreements, so a official interpretation from those considered by your religion to be formally qualified to do so, would be extremely useful in resolution of such questions.
“useful” but not essential! What difference does it make? :confused:
 
Actually, it does not look designed. It is orderly, for sure. But order does not need an orderer, while design would necessitate a designer. You just regurgitate the old fallacy of confusing order with design.

A small suggestion: learn to use the “quote” feature better, and do not include your answer within the quoted text. It makes the conversation easier.
haha so you believe it to be irrational to believe that it is apparent the Universe has been designed? The only conclusion I can make from your statement is that you believe the duck principle cannot be applied when it comes to figuring out if something has been designed or not. That would make you the hypocrite with regards to use of the duck principle. How can you look at a painting and see that it is apparent the painting was designed, but look at the Universe and not? What is the difference that you claim that helps you not see the contradiction of your application? You must also have to believe that creation has no purpose, because if it was created with a purpose that is the definition of being designed.
Why is order not enough either? Why does the fact that the Universe is ordered, not make it apparent that someone was the orderer?

Also, do you see why “good” cannot be defined as “useful” without good becoming morally relative? “Good” has to be based on something unchanging and eternal otherwise it becomes almost meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
 
“useful” but not essential! What difference does it make? :confused:
Yes, useful. As I said. Obviously you could argue that many things the church does are not “essential” but if the purpose of the church is to spread the gospel of Christ, and the bible is the gospel of Christ… Then the church would appear to have a duty to make sure that it’s the “correct” interpretation of the bible which is spread.

(I put correct in quotes because if there is no official “correct” interpretation then presumably they are all valid unless officially declared invalid?)

As for what difference it would make? Well as I said it would avoid conflicts and disagreements, and would help people to understand what “Truth” they should be taking from a particular story.
 
Yes, useful. As I said. Obviously you could argue that many things the church does are not “essential” but if the purpose of the church is to spread the gospel of Christ, and the bible is the gospel of Christ… Then the church would appear to have a duty to make sure that it’s the “correct” interpretation of the bible which is spread.
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The Church does fulfil the duty to make sure that the fundamental interpretation of the Bible is correct with its clearly formulated doctrines - and excommunication of those who don’t accept them.
(I put correct in quotes because if there is no official “correct” interpretation then presumably they are all valid unless officially declared invalid?)
As for what difference it would make? Well as I said it would avoid conflicts and disagreements, and would help people to understand what “Truth” they should be taking from a particular story.
Particular stories in the Old Testament are insignificant when compared with the life, teaching, miracles, death and Resurrection of Christ - and the subsequent development of His community throughout the world for the last two thousand years. You can disagree about the story of Abraham but you can’t disagree about the command to love everyone - including your enemies…
 
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