Borderline Personality Disorder

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Hi.

I was wondering if anyone has any experience in dealing with someone with BPD (not bipolar disorder). My sister was diagnosed and I have a very difficult time “being Jesus” to her in that she is very volatile. I try to be there for her and forgive over and over again, but for my own sanity, I feel as if I should detach from our relationship.

Thanks ahead of time for any advice.
 
I know one special soul who has BPD. I love chatting with her online, and telling her jokes, and listening to her and being there for her. She’s a good friend. 🙂 But, it is an online friendship, so I don’t think it could be compared to an offline relationship.
 
I worked for five years as a supervisor to a teen girls’ grouphome which had girls who mostly had borderline personality disorder. I understand your difficulties. My brother also has this disorder and has separated himself from our family. I would recomend this book, **Stop Walking on Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care About Has Borderline **Personality Disorder
 
BPD’s tend to be self-centered and narcissistic, if I remember correctly. I have known people with symptoms that would match the diagnosis, although I’ve never been sure they have that diagnosis.

It would be very difficult having any kind of equal relationship with someone like that, but you are family and should still maintain some level of contact in hopes of at least giving her some moral guidance. But you cannot have any expectations of the give and take we expect from most of our friendships. It will pretty much be all give on your part and take on hers. But that’s ok, so long as you realize that’s how it is. It’s all in our expectations - know ahead of time she is limited, and just try to be a patient listener when you can. Don’t let it monopolize you, because you have other obligations to meet with your family and your other friends. Keep the relationship in its place, and don’t let it overwhelm you. She has problems far beyond what you could ever solve for her.

Is she open to any kind of discussion about her diagnosis? Can you help her insofar as pointing out when she is engaging in damaging behavior? If so, then there is certainly some value to you “being there for her”. If she is closed-minded and in denial about her diagnosis and how to go about improving her behavior, then what can you do except pray for her?
 
I worked for five years as a supervisor to a teen girls’ grouphome which had girls who mostly had borderline personality disorder. I understand your difficulties. My brother also has this disorder and has separated himself from our family. I would recomend this book, **Stop Walking on Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care About Has Borderline **Personality Disorder
Thanks so much for the recommendation. I will definitely look for that book.

Peace in Christ,
Teri
 
BPD’s tend to be self-centered and narcissistic, if I remember correctly. I have known people with symptoms that would match the diagnosis, although I’ve never been sure they have that diagnosis.

It would be very difficult having any kind of equal relationship with someone like that, but you are family and should still maintain some level of contact in hopes of at least giving her some moral guidance. But you cannot have any expectations of the give and take we expect from most of our friendships. It will pretty much be all give on your part and take on hers. But that’s ok, so long as you realize that’s how it is. It’s all in our expectations - know ahead of time she is limited, and just try to be a patient listener when you can. Don’t let it monopolize you, because you have other obligations to meet with your family and your other friends. Keep the relationship in its place, and don’t let it overwhelm you. She has problems far beyond what you could ever solve for her.

Is she open to any kind of discussion about her diagnosis? Can you help her insofar as pointing out when she is engaging in damaging behavior? If so, then there is certainly some value to you “being there for her”. If she is closed-minded and in denial about her diagnosis and how to go about improving her behavior, then what can you do except pray for her?
Thank you for the advice.

To answer your questions, yes, she is in denial about her diagnosis. She was diagnosed after being hospitalized following a suicide attempt. After I read up on the disorder, I realized she was a poster child for BPD. She becomes very defensive, so it’s difficult to talk with her about anything.

I would be willing to keep a relationship with her, but how many times do I have to come crawling back apologizing for always being the villian? I called her after not talking for 6 months because she got mad at me about something, though I couldn’t tell you what it was. I had to agree with everything she said I did wrong, tell her she was right, and accept that she was unwilling/unable to hear that I had also been hurt. She had another blowout the other day and is not speaking to me or my mother currently. I guess I just wonder if it’s pointless to try and work it out and just let her alienate herself from our family again. I mean, really, what’s the point?

Things are complicated by the fact that she is pregnant and alone, which adds a level of guilt that I should be there for her since I’m the one person that stays in her life when she pushes everyone else away (and then wonders why people abandon her). I just don’t know if I can continue to be a punching bag. I do pray for and have for over 15 years, which is probably why she is still around today.

sigh. God give me strength.

Thank you again for listening.

Peace in Christ,
Teri
 
My SIL has borderline personality order.

People with BPD tend to see everything in black and white, with no gray areas. People are either all good or all bad, and that judgment is typically made based on the most recent interaction with the person in question. So, your sister may hate you after an argument and think you are completely evil, but after she has had time to calm down (which may be a few hours to a few days), she will want to interact with you again, and if the contact is positive, she may then think you are all good and an angel.

The world of someone with BPD is the world of extremes. When they are angry, they are VERY angry, and when they are sad, they may become suicidal. They tend to be very unhappy.

In my SIL’s case, she was unable to hold a steady job until she was in her mid-thirties. She has a steady stream of undesirable men in her life and just generally engages in unsafe activities.

We only hear from her when she wants something or is upset about something. I have found that when she is upset about something (not me) that the best thing to do is just listen and don’t offer advice unless she specifically asks for it. Even then I don’t expect her to act on the advice.

My husband and I try to limit our time with her and we don’t tolerate being screamed and cursed at. If she starts that, we hang up the phone or ask her to leave our house.

It is very difficult to maintain any type of relationship with someone who has this disorder. I try to remind myself that my SIL is unhappy with her life, but she either doesn’t have the insight necessary to see that she is the problem, or she is afraid to see it. Either way, we try to be supportive of her, but we have our limits.
 
“how many times do I have to come crawling back apologizing for always being the villian? I called her after not talking for 6 months because she got mad at me about something, though I couldn’t tell you what it was. I had to agree with everything she said I did wrong, tell her she was right, and accept that she was unwilling/unable to hear that I had also been hurt.”
Whoa, now that’s a bit of a different situation. No way should you be apologizing for things you didn’t do wrong, or go crawling back to her all the time. If you cater to that kind of behavior, you are only encouraging more of it. Being sympathetic and understanding is one thing, but you should not be a doormat. Forgive, yes, be a doormat, no.

Anne1964 is right, she will come back to you when she settles down and realizes she has no one left. If not, then she is not your problem. If you can help the baby, that’s great, but unfortunately you don’t have a lot of power there, unless the state gets involved. Be there for her when she comes back and wants the relationship, but don’t go chasing after her.
 
If she’s pregnant I imagine she’s scared to death. People with BPD want to feel like they are in control of things. The changes in her body may be increasing her anxiety.

Does she plan to keep the baby? Any chance she would give it to you or your mom to raise?

Reason I ask is my SIL has a daughter who she raised more or less alone for the first 8 years. My husband and I took our niece in to live with us after the school called to say something had to be done. She was leaving our niece at home alone and our niece was terrified and she finally told one of her teachers.

My SIL is in no way capable of being a good parent. She has trouble taking care of herself, let alone a child. I do believe she loves her daughter, but as a parent she is neglectful and emotionally abusive.

When we took our niece in at age 8, she barely spoke, had behavioral problems, was failing every subject in school and had no self-esteem. In the five years she has been with us, she has turned into a happy, seemingly well-adjusted teenager and is an honor student. We are, however, waiting for the day when she tells her mother to go away. At this point she spends most weekends with her mother and she hates going over there because she is basically ignored.

My SIL still has custody of our niece, which makes all of our lives extremely frustrating because we are subject to my SIL’s whims and fits of temper.

If you find it hard to maintain a relationship with your sister, please consider her baby who will need a tremendous amount of support from other family members.
 
Your sisters condition is beyond your ability to manage. The best thing you could do is encourage her to connect herself with proffesional help and support, if she hasn’t already.
 
Hi.

I was wondering if anyone has any experience in dealing with someone with BPD (not bipolar disorder). My sister was diagnosed and I have a very difficult time “being Jesus” to her in that she is very volatile. I try to be there for her and forgive over and over again, but for my own sanity, I feel as if I should detach from our relationship.

Thanks ahead of time for any advice.
Unfortunately I’ve had a LOT of experience. I am married, soon to be divorced from someone with a combination of 3 personality disorders (BPD/NPD/OCPD) and severe OCD. I’ve tried for the last 8-9 years of our 27 years to repair our marriage. It will not work if she doesn’t acknowledge her issues or wants help. The sad part is 2 separate counselors believe the real root cause was likely sexual abuse as a very young child over a period of time.

The following is a summary of BPD/NPD that are closely related. It will explain some of the behaviors. I bet you recognize many.

Understanding Personality Disorders
A personality disorder is an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that deviates markedly from the expectation of the individual’s culture, is pervasive and inflexible (unlikely to change), is stable over time, and leads to distress or impairment of interpersonal relationships.

Those with BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) & NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) are driven by a constant and deeply motivated drive to find safety in their lives by avoiding things that trigger their terrifying fears. Both perceive a threat from the judgments of people around them, one that is so great that it is terrifying to them. Even insignificant statements or events may signal or trigger a terrifying change in the BP or NP’s behavior. Many of the characteristics and behaviors of these two disorders of fear are overlapping and even overlap with other mental health issues.

People with BPD feel the same emotions other people do. The difference is that they feel things more intensely, act in ways that are more extreme and have difficulty regulating their emotions and behavior.

BPD’s may feel the need to control because they feel so out of control themselves and frequently accuse others of trying to control them. Those who must control everything fear being vulnerable due to a fear of being exposed or shamed. Control is a way to insure no one can ever shame them.

They are very hypersensitive to anything that threatens their feeling of safety. They find safety within circles of people where they are perceived without fault. Powerful fears are unleashed by anything that might suggest or reveal the slightest flaw to those people.

NP’s believe themselves to be flawed and they dread and fear the discovery of this by others. They strain every muscle and expend every shred of energy to maintain their appearance as flawless. They work extremely hard to be perfect. Everything must be done to perfection.

Why Perfection?
If as children they were grossly mistreated for small errors in behavior, and if they were ignored or sometimes rewarded when they behaved perfectly (according to someone else’s standards – usually their parents), they may develop a basic dynamic of feeling safe when others perceive them as perfect, and feeling very, very threatened when they think others will perceive them as deficient.

NP’s have a common reaction to a threat to their image. They react by discrediting, demeaning, derogating, and possibly destroying the person who challenged their image. For those unlucky enough to be behind closed doors with a threatened narcissist, the fear can erupt into violent rage. They seek to maintain an image of perfection among the people who surround them. They are often considered wonderful and successful people. They are devoted to what they do and excel in all aspects of it.

Their reputations are built, in part, on the way they treat others. They may be very generous, patient or cooperative. They have to be, because they need to be perceived by those around them as perfect. Any suggestion of imperfection is intensely frightening to them.

When a person becomes closely associated with an NP, especially by marriage, that person was part of the “other” world of the NP with which they tried to maintain the perfect image. As a spouse, the person becomes part of the NP’s “inside” definition of self. When this happens the dynamic changes completely. Before, the NP made strenuous efforts to behave perfectly toward the person, and asked only that the other person support this image. Now the NP views the spouse as part of his/her projected self-image. If is no longer important how the person views the NP; it is now imperitive that the person also present an impression of perfection to those “outside”.
Without knowing it, the now “included” spouse is suddenly held to the same impossible standard that the NP holds for him/her self…. “perfection”.

The need for approval from the person they married evaporates; everything becomes secondary to maintaining the image of perfection. Any behavior or public visibility that suggests anything less is intolerable. Imperfection in the spouse now also becomes an imminent threat to the NP and all measures to achieve control become necessary. Intimidation, criticism, manipulation and rage can all be employed to ensure the spouse maintains the proper standard of behavior. The standard itself is an impossible one. There may not be anything that can be done that meets the NP’s definition of perfect.

At home, where no one “outside” can see, any level of emotional violence or abuse can be used by the NP to control the other. But in public, the NP’s behavior is constrained to within socially accepted limits. In public, the spouse will be treated with consideration and courtesy. The brutal raging, anger and controlling behavior is reserved for private settings.

Defense Mechanisms (I will post in part 2)
 
Hi.

I was wondering if anyone has any experience in dealing with someone with BPD (not bipolar disorder). My sister was diagnosed and I have a very difficult time “being Jesus” to her in that she is very volatile. I try to be there for her and forgive over and over again, but for my own sanity, I feel as if I should detach from our relationship.

Thanks ahead of time for any advice.
Here is Part 2

Defense Mechanisms

BP’s and NP’s use defense mechanisms to alter their reality to make it less frightening to them. Defense mechanisms are subconsciously controlled deviations from the normal way that events are perceived and remembered. The BP/NP alters the reality in their mind to make it less threatening. These defense mechanisms are not rational processes. They operate at the sub-conscious level. They alter the functioning of the mind to protect the person from the threat. To maintain their reality, they continually distort our reality to match theirs.

Dissociation – Altered Perception
Disordered abusers often recall things completely differently from healthy people. They do this with complete conviction. In most cases the abuser is not lying. The are absolutely convinced of their recall. This can be extremely confusing to someone living with the disordered person. They can remember events or what was said completely differently from the way it actually happened. Another common defense mechanism is when the person completely buries an event in their subconscious to where they do not recall it any more. This is common with trauma victims.

Denial
Denial is simply the assertion by a disordered person that something is not so, when ordinary observation or common sense confirms that it is so. Dissociation blocks the recall of events. When this altered awareness is expressed as reality, we see denial.

Rationalization
NP’s act aggressively to avoid any suggestion of a flaw. Rationalization is an assertion that argues that the flaw doesn’t exist, or if it does exist, that it isn’t the NP’s flaw. Rationalization also argues that the flaw is the responsibility of anyone other than the NP.

Projection
In projection, a disordered person perceives their problem (an event or quality) to be present in another person rather than themselves. When an event is perceived to be flawed and actually resides with the disordered person it is displaced by projection to reside with someone else.

Splitting
Splitting means to view people or things with extreme positive or negative value. A disordered spouse may at times express that you are wonderful and at other times that you are terrible. Splitting can also take an extreme form where they split out of existence another person. A BP may permanently refuse to recongnize the existence of the other person. He/she may refuse all interactions. It is extremely painful for a partner in an intimate relationship to be “split out of existence” by the person they love. It may also happen by an NP in response to another person (spouse) revealing a flaw about the disordered person. Consistent with the NP defense mechanisms, the NP may demean and devalue the person revealing a flaw.

Blame Shifting
Blame shifting is simply the rational or irrational assertion that the responsibility for problems lies in someone other than the disordered person. Blame shifting is often used by disordered people when a partner confronts them about their abusive or neglectful behavior. This defense mechanism focuses attention away from the person responsible for what has happened.

Mirroring
In mirroring, a disordered person adapts their behavior to mirror back to us the qualities which they perceive that we desire to see. Most disordered abusers are extremely good at mirroring. Mirroring can make us believe that the NP is a truly wonderful person. It can lead us to make wrong judgments about NP’s, something which serves their purpose. Mirroring in the early stages of a romantic relationship can prove devastating, by drawing us into strong romantic attraction to a facade of personality.

Rages and Anger
Anger punishes us for doing or saying things that threaten the abuser. Anger and rages condition us to respond fearfully to the abuser.

Distortion Campaigns

Some family members of people with BPD have been the subject of damaging rumors and even experience false accusations of abuse and harassment by the BP’s in their lives. Some have even faced legal action brought against them without legitimate cause. These are called “distortion campaigns”.

Some people with BPD try to rid themselves of all blame by charging that another person is totally inadequate or irresponsible. The fragile self esteem of those with BPD depends on keeping all sense of failure outside the self. So they present themselves with a self-righteous air of angry superiority and accuse the spouse of being psychologically and morally inferior. A BPD sufferer may also tell family, friends and acquaintances things about you that have no basis in fact whatsoever.

Treatment Outlook

The biggest single determining factor for success in the treatment of personality disorders is the patient’s acceptance and motivation to change.

End of Article

I have experience ALL these defense mechanisms and I’m worn out but at peace with the decision to divorce. Several priests said there is nothing left for me to do after about 7 years of a variety of counseling, Retrouvaille, mental health seminars, reading dozens of books/articles, counseling on coaching me to stop enabling, etc.

Blessings to you!
 
"Whoa, now that’s a bit of a different situation. No way should you be apologizing for things you didn’t do wrong, or go crawling back to her all the time. If you cater to that kind of behavior, you are only encouraging more of it. Being sympathetic and understanding is one thing, but you should not be a doormat. Forgive, yes, be a doormat, no.

Anne1964 is right, she will come back to you when she settles down and realizes she has no one left. If not, then she is not your problem. If you can help the baby, that’s great, but unfortunately you don’t have a lot of power there, unless the state gets involved. Be there for her when she comes back and wants the relationship, but don’t go chasing after her."

Sorry, the qote function didn’t work right.

My sister lives in a perpetual state of victimhood. I extend an olive branch, apologize for any way she felt offended, seek her forgiveness, she reinforces what she thinks I did to injure her, I try to talk about what I feel she did wrong, she gets offended and angry again. That’s how it works.

I can forgive her and move on, I just don’t know if I can keep up the cycle. That’s why I feel like I need to distance myself. I wonder if forgiving someone means not only saying you forgive the person in your own heart, but also seeking reconciliation with the person. That’s where I find following Jesus in this instance a very grey area. Just to reinforce, she didn’t talk to me for over six months last time she got mad, not a “few days to cool off”. If I hadn’t called, we still may not be talking to this day. And yes, I am worried about this baby.

I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut. I’m definitely praying about it.

Peace,
Teri
 
Thanks, LRH1957, for the info. I’m sorry for your difficulties as well.

Peace,
Teri
 
Your sisters condition is beyond your ability to manage. The best thing you could do is encourage her to connect herself with proffesional help and support, if she hasn’t already.
Thank you. I’ve definitely tried to encourage that. From what I understand, you really need to find someone who specializes in BPD plus my sister denies there is anything wrong. I keep praying, though.

Peace,
Teri
 
If she’s pregnant I imagine she’s scared to death. People with BPD want to feel like they are in control of things. The changes in her body may be increasing her anxiety.

Does she plan to keep the baby? Any chance she would give it to you or your mom to raise?

Reason I ask is my SIL has a daughter who she raised more or less alone for the first 8 years. My husband and I took our niece in to live with us after the school called to say something had to be done. She was leaving our niece at home alone and our niece was terrified and she finally told one of her teachers.

My SIL is in no way capable of being a good parent. She has trouble taking care of herself, let alone a child. I do believe she loves her daughter, but as a parent she is neglectful and emotionally abusive.

When we took our niece in at age 8, she barely spoke, had behavioral problems, was failing every subject in school and had no self-esteem. In the five years she has been with us, she has turned into a happy, seemingly well-adjusted teenager and is an honor student. We are, however, waiting for the day when she tells her mother to go away. At this point she spends most weekends with her mother and she hates going over there because she is basically ignored.

My SIL still has custody of our niece, which makes all of our lives extremely frustrating because we are subject to my SIL’s whims and fits of temper.

If you find it hard to maintain a relationship with your sister, please consider her baby who will need a tremendous amount of support from other family members.
Yes, she’s freaking out. She’s unemployed and alone. After years of an eating disorder, she is not handling weight gain very well. She was considering adoption, and still mentions it occasionally. I don’t know what is going to happen, other than we’re no longer welcome to come for the baby’s birth (since she’s mad right now). I’m discerning religious life, so I don’t know if I will be available to take her child. I was kind of hoping this baby would awaken some sense of selflessness that she has never really demonstrated, that God would use this baby as a form of healing for her, but maybe I’m just kidding myself from what you mentioned about your SIL.

If you could keep her in prayer, I would greatly appreciate it.

Peace,
Teri
 
" I wonder if forgiving someone means not only saying you forgive the person in your own heart, but also seeking reconciliation with the person. That’s where I find following Jesus in this instance a very grey area. " Tezza

I can’t work the quote function, sorry. But the answer to your question is to forgive, and let her know you are willing to forgive and reconcile, but that does not mean you have to apologize for things you did not do. It may take years, but when she gets lonely enough she will be back because deep down she knows you are probably the only person left in her life willing to be her friend. Don’t grovel for the sake of reconciliation - you are continually reinforcing her bad behavior. You need to exercise a little tough love.
 
More food for thought when dealing with someone with BPD. Read the book “Boundaries”. It will help you set clear boundaries especially when dealing with someone with this disorder.

You can’t change the way they behave, but the book will help you change the way you respond and to establish what behaviors you are and are not willing to take. Of course do it in a loving way. Be gentle but firm.

Blessings
 
Slightly on topic, however I don’t know who else to talk to besides you folks who are aware of BPD.

My MIL … I’m not trying to diagnosis her or anything, but I really think she has some mental problems. Talking to her about it is out of the question. I know that her sister’s have talked to her about getting help, etc.

I was wondering … would it be okay for me to call her doctor and tell the doctor my concerns and leave it at that. Maybe her doctor, which is a female around my age, will be able to ask some questions, make some suggestions, etc. I don’t see my MIL going to the doctor and telling her the things that she does to her family.

Sorry to hijack.

Dana
 
Slightly on topic, however I don’t know who else to talk to besides you folks who are aware of BPD.

My MIL … I’m not trying to diagnosis her or anything, but I really think she has some mental problems. Talking to her about it is out of the question. I know that her sister’s have talked to her about getting help, etc.

I was wondering … would it be okay for me to call her doctor and tell the doctor my concerns and leave it at that. Maybe her doctor, which is a female around my age, will be able to ask some questions, make some suggestions, etc. I don’t see my MIL going to the doctor and telling her the things that she does to her family.

Sorry to hijack.

Dana
Dana,
Does what I wrote above about BPD make sense as far as behaviors? If so, first get the book “Stop Walking on Eggshells”. It is for family members of people with BPD.

You can also simply do an internet search for BPD or NPD or OCPD to learn about it.

One thing I learned being married to someone with personality disorders is that for them to get help they need to want it. If they don’t they won’t.

That’s why I suggested the book on boundaries. That will help you establish what behaviors you will take and not take. It will help you change YOUR responses to their behaviors. You can’t change them, but you can change the way you respond. If she has BPD or other mental health issues, realize that they treat you a certain way that is disordered. So try not to take it personally.

I will give you an example of a boundary. If I was talking to my wife on the phone and she was yelling and not allowing me to speak, I learned to say “I will be glad to continue this conversation in a normal tone of voice and if I am also allowed to speak. If not, I will hang up and we can discuss this later”. Sometimes she would calm down and we could continue, sometimes she would then hang up in my face. Either way, her treating ME in an abusive way decreased. That’s just one example of how that book can help.

Blessings!
 
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