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Roland, you can’t be both born-again and Catholic, because being born-again requires you to believe these three fundamental beliefs that strongly contradict Catholic teaching:
  1. Priesthood of all believers (eg, no need for a priesthood)
  2. Salvation through faith alone (eg, no need for good works)
  3. Sole authority of the Bible (eg, no need for Catholic tradition or the Magisterium, AKA: the Pope)
This is why, in a nutshell. It’s also what started the Protestant Reformation and ended over a thousand years of Christian unity in Western Europe. 😦
I disagree. The born again experience that others and myself have experienced didn’t require us to believe in any doctrine. For myself, there was no doctrine in mind when I prayed to Jesus, and asked Him to come into my life.

Doctrines and differences only came later as a result of my own debates with protestants, in defense of Catholicism.

I think you’re looking at the term, “born again,” purely in the protestant doctrinal understanding.

This is not what Roland or myself are talking about.

We’re talking about the revelation of Christ to us, when he gave us the gift of faith. Jesus transformed our lives, so that there was a profound difference from what we were, and what be have become. There is no doubt about it. In fact, I don’t see the difference between my experience and those of th Saints, like Saint Francis of Assisi. Sure, their calling was different, but the experience of Christ in their life, was truly a born again experience.

We did not accept religion, we accepted Jesus. Religion came after, and for myself, it was a return to the religion I was raised in, the Roman Catholic Church.

Jim
 
I disagree. The born again experience that others and myself have experienced didn’t require us to believe in any doctrine. For myself, there was no doctrine in mind when I prayed to Jesus, and asked Him to come into my life.

Doctrines and differences only came later as a result of my own debates with protestants, in defense of Catholicism.

I think you’re looking at the term, “born again,” purely in the protestant doctrinal understanding.

This is not what Roland or myself are talking about.

We’re talking about the revelation of Christ to us, when he gave us the gift of faith. Jesus transformed our lives, so that there was a profound difference from what we were, and what be have become. There is no doubt about it. In fact, I don’t see the difference between my experience and those of th Saints, like Saint Francis of Assisi. Sure, their calling was different, but the experience of Christ in their life, was truly a born again experience.

We did not accept religion, we accepted Jesus. Religion came after, and for myself, it was a return to the religion I was raised in, the Roman Catholic Church.

Jim
You have merely simplified and subjectified Protestant concepts of God and His relationship with Man. You’re using a specific, innocous-sounding language to describe your Protestant-like experience. The theological ramifications of this type of devotion and Christian thought will decisively lead you away from the Catholic Church, the more you dabble with it. Again, if you attempt to remain both Catholic and Born-Again, and if you regularly associate with true Born-Agains, you will eventually be attacked for harboring any loyalty to the Catholic Church, and expected to fully convert to Protestant-type Born-Again Christianity.

Once baptized into the Catholic Church, you cannot be ‘born-again’ later in life, if you’re still Catholic.

The two versions of the Christian religion are *incompatible. *
 
James,

There should not be any division within the church, worst of all an elitism. When one receives this ‘stirring up’ it is because there is a greater need for it.

In Baptism/Chrismation/Confirmation from the Sacramental Church, we are all born again. In them God shows his faithfulness. Your experience in the Alpha Course shows his desire that you were willing and ready to accept this responcibility towards the Church - the body of Christ.

You are the proverbial glass of milk with chocolate syrup on the bottom of it. It has been lying there, just a glass of milk and chocolate syrup. Now, God has taken his Holy Spirit and stirred that glass of milk and chocolate syrup. You are now a glass of chocolate milk.

In other words it is the action of God’s Holy Spirit in your life, that has stirred into flame all that you are experiencing. It was already there, you were born again at your Baptism and Chrismation. Now, like the apostles, you have been stirred into flame.

The idea of born again is a Protestant understanding of the Sacramental Church - it is a way of sorts of coming in through the the ‘backdoor’ without accepting the truth of the Sacraments. We can only speak of the Love of God - for he is truth of Perfect Love - through the Sacraments, because God loved us first. He called us forth before we were in our mothers womb.

The reason for this confusion is the Protestant utopian idea, that they can do things outside the Church. However, the Catholic Church is a spiritual covering, working in and through you, this convering of Church is God’s protection for you.

Though it has taken this long for you to come to the understanding of the truths that the Church teaches, it does not bring an elitism. However, it does bring an understanding of I received this not because I am better than anyone else, but because I need it more than anyone else.

You what you have learned and experienced are well within the teachings and underestanding of the Catholic Church. The only thing anyone has said to you differently is the use of the ‘term born again’ . Yes, they believe in Jesus. And yes, they try to live Christian lives - but at a different time and place than you are thinking of. You are just now realizing that you were born again many years ago and what you received then is now active in you.

Here is a pretty good discusion from a Catholic understanding of ‘born again’.
catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0022.html
 
Are you baptized yet? John 3:3 (New International Version) In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” (Or ‘born from above’; also in verse 7)

But how is this accomplished? Christ’s answer is just two verses ahead:

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.”

Baptism and the reception of the Holy Spirit gives you new birth. Those who claim new birth by a simple declaration go against the very words of Christ, and are in error. John 3 is a wonderful chapter to read over and over. His interaction with Nicodemus is illuminating.

A word of caution regarding interaction with “born again” Christians: You are a follower of Christ, but much much more awaits. If you are strong or learned in your faith, you will have little problem in speaking with them. However, the spirit of antichrist has come against Jesus’ church from day one. The second you mention the word “Catholic”, you will come under assault by those who have much less of Christ: much less tradition, much less history, many less (or zero!) Sacraments, even less scripture!

Yet they remain convinced that they have more than you do. They have been deceived. Now, who is “a liar and the father of lies”? You see whom you must battle every day of your life on this earth.

May the peace of Christ always be with you on your journey.
 
You can definitely be a born again Catholic Christian. The whole phrase “born again” refers to accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior and beginning to live your life committed to him. It is not something that has to be strictly Protestant, and I wish that more Catholics would embrace the idea behind it.

My own grandfather, who is a deacon within the Catholic church refers to himself as being born again. He explains that as with many Catholics, he was just going through the motions for most of his life. But when he was about 30 years old, he began to truly live as a follower of Christ, and in that way, he feels that he was born again.

I hope more people will follow your lead and commit or recommit their lives to Christ. Congratulations on taking such a huge step in your relationship with God.
 
You can definitely be a born again Catholic Christian. The whole phrase “born again” refers to accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior and beginning to live your life committed to him. It is not something that has to be strictly Protestant, and I wish that more Catholics would embrace the idea behind it.

My own grandfather, who is a deacon within the Catholic church refers to himself as being born again. He explains that as with many Catholics, he was just going through the motions for most of his life. But when he was about 30 years old, he began to truly live as a follower of Christ, and in that way, he feels that he was born again.

I hope more people will follow your lead and commit or recommit their lives to Christ. Congratulations on taking such a huge step in your relationship with God.
I think we are all in agreement. Born again however is not an exculsionary term. We need to understand that it did take place with Baptism and Chrismation. Then somewhere in place and time, we accept the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to live our lives to it’s fullest in Christ Jesus.
 
We did not accept religion, we accepted Jesus. Religion came after, and for myself, it was a return to the religion I was raised in, the Roman Catholic Church.
If you really accept Jesus you will have to come to the Catholic Church because Jesus will lead you to the Truth.
 
You have merely simplified and subjectified Protestant concepts of God and His relationship with Man. You’re using a specific, innocous-sounding language to describe your Protestant-like experience. The theological ramifications of this type of devotion and Christian thought will decisively lead you away from the Catholic Church, the more you dabble with it. Again, if you attempt to remain both Catholic and Born-Again, and if you regularly associate with true Born-Agains, you will eventually be attacked for harboring any loyalty to the Catholic Church, and expected to fully convert to Protestant-type Born-Again Christianity.

Once baptized into the Catholic Church, you cannot be ‘born-again’ later in life, if you’re still Catholic.

The two versions of the Christian religion are *incompatible. *
Well, all I can say is, you’re wrong.

My so called “born again,” experience was over 30 years ago, and I have no intention of ever leaving the Catholic Church. As far as being involved with born again protestants? I had very little contact with born again protestants, and usually it involved my defense of Catholic doctrine on their websites.

So, I think you’re making a big jump to conclusions in judging me in this way.

As I said before, there are those who are Catholic, because they found themselves so, and liking the doctrines have remained so, but they haven’t become Christians.

Jim
 
If you really accept Jesus you will have to come to the Catholic Church because Jesus will lead you to the Truth.
Not necessarily and thats the old misinterpretation that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

Even the Pope says people of other faiths can be saved.

Jim
 
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Huh? The teaching of the Church is wrong? Baptism is “meaningless” until faith comes into the person’s life?
Until the person receives the gift of faith, for them, its meaningless.
Jim, the early Christians would not have had entire households baptized (including non-believing children) if the sacrament of Baptism was “meaningless.” The child receives sanctifying grace, original sin is forgiven, and the child becomes a member of the Church. Baptism opens the path of salvation.
You’ve misunderstood what I said. Until a person accepts the faith that is offered to them, through Jesus Christ, religion, is meaningless.
Even adults who are baptized can lose faith, regain it, lose it, regain it. The benefits of the sacrament are not lost, no matter what degree of faith the person may have at any given time. The efficacy of the sacrament does not depend on a singular powerful emotional experience.
It depends on the act of faith. Even the Church teaches that Baptism and Confirmation, are sacraments of faith.
The Church will not Baptize a person, where no faith exist. For infants, its the faith of the parents, that the Church agrees to Baptize.

Jim
 
The problem here is a definition of terms.

Some see the term, “Born Again,” and immediately conclude that its protestant and therefore must be rejected.

For others, like myself, the “born again,” term is the description of the experience of faith, in Jesus Christ that we received. Some have called it an emotional experience, but then, how would they know? If God speaks to me, who are you to say He doesn’t?

When Jesus came into my life, I became new, as he said, “I make all things new,” and my old life died.

I died to myself and gave my life to Christ. He in return, gave back a new life to me, which is the born again experience I’m speaking of.

Jim
 
We need to be born again of water and the spirit which is baptism. Then we need ongoing conversions all through our lives when we allow our faith to be lost or we let it get diminished. This isn’t a one time thing. It however is at baptism that the grace of the Sacrament washes away our original sin and the Holy Spirit initially comes upon us and we become a child of God. A child can be baptised and lose their faith as they grow. A later re-conversion can seem as if it is an initial experience.
 
We need to be born again of water and the spirit which is baptism. Then we need ongoing conversions all through our lives when we allow our faith to be lost or we let it get diminished. This isn’t a one time thing. It however is at baptism that the grace of the Sacrament washes away our original sin and the Holy Spirit initially comes upon us and we become a child of God. A child can be baptised and lose their faith as they grow. A later re-conversion can seem as if it is an initial experience.
I agree with what you have said, except, later re-conversion, isn’t really re-conversion, because there was no conversion of heart to begin with.

Also, the experience is a reality, not something that is imagined by the person.

St. Francis of Assisi, didn’t imagine his conversion, yet, he was Baptized as an infant.

Jim
 
I agree with what you have said, except, later re-conversion, isn’t really re-conversion, because there was no conversion of heart to begin with.

Also, the experience is a reality, not something that is imagined by the person.

St. Francis of Assisi, didn’t imagine his conversion, yet, he was Baptized as an infant.

Jim
The conversion at Baptism even for the infant is being born again as a child of God through water and Spirit. This is Grace. We are saved by Grace. Ongoing conversions later when we have failed in our faith bring up back to that state of Grace when we confess our sins and reconcile with God. The reality of someone experiencing a conversion of heart is a reality. They then need to make the next step and reconcile with God through the Sacraments Jesus left us.
 
I think this article explains what has happened, but it is from the preacher to the Papal Household.

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CONCERNING THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa, OFM Cap **
It is important to understand what the Renewal in the Spirit is all about. After the Second Vatican Council, many things in the Church’s life were renewed–the liturgy, pastoral care, canon law, the constitutions and dress of religious orders. Although all these things are important, they are only external things. Woe to us if we stop there and think the task is finished. It is not structure but souls that are important to God. “It is in men’s souls that the Church is beautiful,” writes St. Ambrose…and therefore it is in men’s souls that she must make herself beautiful.
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**God is Author and Power**
The Renewal is a renewal in which God, not man, is the principal author “I, not you,” says God, “make all things new”(Rev. 21:5). “My Spirit–and He alone–may renew the face of the earth” (see Ps. 104:30). From the religious point of view, we tend to view things from a ptolemaic perspective: at the foundation are our efforts–organization, efficiency, reforms, and goodwill. These have the earth here as the center which God comes to strengthen and crown by His grace and our effort.

We must–at this point as the Word of God cries out–”give the power back to God” (Ps. 68:35) because “the power belongs to God” (Ps. 62:12). For too long we have usurped this power of His by managing it as if it were ours, as if it was up to us to “govern” the power of God. We have to totally change our perspective. That is, we have to acknowledge simply that without the Holy Spirit, we cannot do anything, not even say, “Jesus is Lord!” (1Cor. 12:3).

The Baptism in the Spirit is not a sacrament, but it is related to the sacraments of Christian initiation. The Baptism in the Spirit makes real and in a way renews Christian initiation. The primary relationship is with the sacrament of Baptism.

We believe that the Baptism in the Spirit makes real and revitalizes our Baptism. To understand how a sacrament which was received so many years ago, usually immediately after our birth, could suddenly come back to life and emanate so much energy, as often happens through the Baptism in the Spirit, it is important to look at our understanding of sacramental theology.

Catholic theology recognizes the concept of a valid but bound sacrament. A sacrament is called bound if the fruit that should accompany it remains bound because of certain blocks that prevent its effectiveness. Extreme examples of this are the sacrament of Matrimony and Holy Orders received in the state of mortal sin. In such circumstances these sacraments cannot grant any grace to people until the obstacle of sin is removed through Penance. Once this happens, the sacrament is said to live again, thanks to the indelible character and irrevocability of the gift of God. God remains faithful even if we are unfaithful because He cannot deny Himself (see Tim. 2:1-3).

In the case of Baptism, what is it that causes the fruit of the sacrament to stay bound? The sacraments are not magical rituals that act mechanically, without the person’s knowledge, disregarding any response on his part. Their effectiveness is the fruit of a synergy or cooperation between divine omnipotence–in reality the grace of Christ or the Holy Spirit–, and human freedom. As St. Augustine said, “The one who created you without your cooperation will not save without your cooperation.”

The opus operatum of Baptism, namely God’s part, or grace, has several aspects: forgiveness of sins, the gifts of the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity (these, however, only as a seed), and divine sonship. All of these aspects operate through the effective action of the Holy Spirit. But what does the opus operantis in Baptism–namely, man’s part–consist of? It consists of faith! “Whosoever believes and is baptized shall be saved”(Mark 16:16). Along with Baptism therefore, there is another element: the faith of man. “To all who received Him He gave the power to become children of God: to those who believe in His name” (John 1:13).

Baptism is like a divine seal put on the faith of man. Having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and having believed in it, you have received (of course, in Baptism) the seal of the Holy Spirit (see Eph. 1:13).

Baptism and Confirmation of Faith

At the beginning of the Church, Baptism was such a powerful event and so rich in grace that there was normally not a need of a new effusion of the Spirit like we have today. Baptism was ministered to adults who converted from paganism, and who, properly instructed, were in the position to make on the occasion of Baptism, an act of faith, and a free, mature choice. It is sufficient to read the mystagogic catechesis on Baptism attributed to Cyril of Jerusalem to become aware of the depth of faith to which those waiting for Baptism were led. In substance, they arrived at Baptism through a true and real conversion, and thus, for them Baptism was a real washing, a personal renewal, and a re-birth in the Holy Spirit.

CON’T
 
The favorable circumstances that allowed Baptism at the origins of the Church to operate with so much power was that the grace of God and man’s response met at the same time. There was a perfect synchronization…

God’s Will

Here, then, is what I feel to be the significance of the Baptism in the Spirit. It is God’s answer to this malfunctioning that has grown up in the Christian life in the sacrament of Baptism.

It is an accepted fact that over the last few years there has been some concern on the part of the Church, among the bishops, that the Christian sacraments, especially Baptism, are being administered to people who will not make any use of them in life. As a result, it has even been suggested that Baptism should not be administered unless there are some minimum guarantees that it will be cultivated and valued by the child in question. For one should not throw pearls to dogs, as Jesus said, and Baptism is a pearl because it is the fruit of the Blood of Christ.

But it seems that God was concerned about this situation even before the Church was, and He raised up here and there in the Church, movements aimed at renewing Christian initiation in adults. The Charismatic Renewal is one of these movements, and in it the principal grace is, without doubt, linked to Baptism of the Spirit and what comes before it.

Release and Confirmation of Faith

Its effectiveness in reactivating Baptism consists in this: Finally man contributed his part–namely, he makes a choice of faith, prepared in repentance, that allows the work of God to set itself free and to emanate all its strength. It is as if the light is switched on. The gift of God is finally “unbound”, and the Spirit is allowed to flow like a fragrance in the Christian life.

In addition to the renewal of the grace of Baptism, the Baptism in the Spirit is also a confirmation of one’s own Baptism, a deliberate “yes” to it, to its fruit and its commitments. As such, it is also similar to Confirmation. Confirmation is the sacrament that develops, confirms and brings to completion the work of Baptism.

From it, too, comes that desire for greater involvement in the apostolic and missionary dimension of the Church that is usually noted in those who receive the Baptism in the Spirit. They feel more inclined to cooperate with the building up of the Church, placing themselves at her service in various ministries both clerical and lay, to witness for Christ–to do all those things that recall the happening of Pentecost and which are actuated in the sacrament of Confirmation.

The Baptism of the Spirit is not the only occasion known within the Church for this reviving of the sacraments if initiation. There is, for example, the renewal of the baptismal promises in the Easter Vigil. There are also the spiritual exercises and religious profession, sometimes called a “second Baptism.” At the sacrament level there is Confirmation. It is not difficult to discover in the lives of the saints the presence of a spontaneous effusion, especially on the occasion of their conversion. The difference with the Baptism in the Spirit, however, is that it is open to all the people of God, small and great, and not only to those privileged ones who do the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises or make religious profession.
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**The Will of God in History**
Where does this extraordinary force that we experienced when were baptized in the Spirit come from? What we are talking about is not just some theory, but something that we ourselves have experienced and therefore can say with John, “What we have heard, what we have seen with our own eyes, what our hands have touched, this we also announce to you, so that you too can be in communion with us (see John 1:1-11). The explanation of this force is in the will of God because God was pleased to renew the Church today by this means, and this is enough.

There are certainly some biblical precedents, like the one told in Acts 8:14-17, when Peter and John, having heard that Samaria welcomed the Word of God, went there, prayed for them and laid hands on them so they could receive the Holy Spirit. But these biblical precedents are not sufficient to explain the vastness and depth of the contemporary manifestations of the Spirit.
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The explanation, therefore, is in God’s plan...
What does the Baptism in the Spirit consist of, and how does it work?

In the Baptism of the Spirit, there is a secret, mysterious move of God that is His way of becoming present in a way that is different for each one. Only He knows us in our inner part and how to act upon our unique personality. There is also an external community part which is the same for everyone. This consists mainly of three things: brotherly love, laying on of hands, and prayer. These are non-sacramental but simply ecclesiastic elements.
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**From the Father and Son**
Where does the grace we experience in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit come from? From those around us? No! From the person who receives it? No! It comes from God! We can only say that such grace is related to Baptism because God always acts with coherence and faithfulness. He honors the commitments and institutions of Christ. One thing is certain–it is not the brothers who impart the Holy Spirit, but they do invoke the Holy Spirit on the person. Only Jesus may give the Holy Spirit.

As to the manner of this grace, we may speak of a new coming of the Holy Spirit, of a new mission by the Father through Jesus Christ, or a new anointing corresponding to a new degree of grace.
 
P. Raniero Cantalamessa, ofmcap

Experiencing a new Pentecost
But how to present the reality of the Holy Spirit in half an hour? I think the best way is not by expounding some theological truth about the Spirit or commenting upon a biblical text, but rather simply by sharing my experience of how the Holy Spirit at a certain point changed the course of my life.

** [Here follows a personal testimony: from Professor of History of Ancient Christianity to Preacher to the Papal Household]

The fruits of the Baptism in the Spirit:
  • the Bible becomes alive
  • a new taste for prayer
  • Jesus becomes a living person. **
The two Davids of Michelangelo in Florence: the copy outside Palazzo della Signoria for tourists in a hurry, and the original one inside the Galleria dell’Accademia for connoisseurs: an image of what happens with Jesus. What most people know is not the risen Jesus, “in flesh and bone”, alive in the Spirit, but only a dead bookish copy.
One of the major changes the experience of the Spirit brought about in me: Ecumenism, a love for believers of other denominations, beginning with Hebrew believers, the Jewish people. cantalamessa.org/en/articoloView.php?id=63

Another good discussion with him.
cantalamessa.org/en/articoloView.php?id=56
 
Well, all I can say is, you’re wrong.

My so called “born again,” experience was over 30 years ago, and I have no intention of ever leaving the Catholic Church. As far as being involved with born again protestants? I had very little contact with born again protestants, and usually it involved my defense of Catholic doctrine on their websites.

So, I think you’re making a big jump to conclusions in judging me in this way.

As I said before, there are those who are Catholic, because they found themselves so, and liking the doctrines have remained so, but they haven’t become Christians.

Jim
This is why I oppose the charismatic movement within the Church. IMO, it represents and promotes disparity of belief. It could be even be seen as heretical to believe that one’s first baptism into the Church was ‘nullified’ by a so-called spiritual ‘death’ later in one’s life, which was supposedly overcome by one’s being ‘born again’ later, based on emotional feelings derived from the Protestant teachings of salvation by faith alone, the sole authority of the Bible, and the priesthood of all believers.
 
The conversion at Baptism even for the infant is being born again as a child of God through water and Spirit. This is Grace. We are saved by Grace. Ongoing conversions later when we have failed in our faith bring up back to that state of Grace when we confess our sins and reconcile with God. The reality of someone experiencing a conversion of heart is a reality. They then need to make the next step and reconcile with God through the Sacraments Jesus left us.
I agree with what you are saying, but to be saved, a person must cooperate with God’s saving act.

Fr. Benedict Groeschel, gave a good analogy of what it is to be saved.

He said its like a person who falls over board, off of a ship. In the water, he struggles to stay afloat and yells for help. A person on the ship, throws him a life preserver. Now, for the person in the water to be saved, he must reach out and grab hold of the life preserver. If he doesn’t, he can’t be saved.

So it is with saving grace. We must reach out and be open to receive it. God doesn’t force himself on us.

Reconciliation with God is the first step for receiving the gift of faith. Faith is what brings a person closer to Christ. Religion is the response to faith.

The Sacrament of Reconciliation, reconciles us with the Church, and gives us the grace to live a life in full communion with the Church. It allows us to receive the Eucharist and receive the spiritual food of Jesus body and blood, which for Catholics, is the highest level of worship we can give God on earth.

However, a person could die and go to heaven without having gone to confession. But he can’t if he has not truly repented and asked God for forgiveness. Only God forgives sins.

Jim
 
I want to thank everyone for their response. The sharing is fantastic and just engaging in conversation about our Lord and Saviour, Jesus, makes his presence more real in our lives. When two or more are gathered in his name he is with us. In my studies and research regarding this phenomenon we call Jesus I ran across an author’s description of Jesus in the book of Luke in the bible that for me describes the Jesus I have always known but whom I now know better since receiving the fullness of the Holy Spirit through evangelization and a renewed focus on how God has always worked wonders in my life from the time of my childhood baptism to present. Speaking of the book of Luke the author states,“Here I read the nativity story and the events in the childhood of Jesus that only Luke tells. This supernatural Savior is decidedly human; He can be touched with our infirmities. He is a loving Savior; men, women, children are of equal importance to him. He loves those that seem to have no friends and speaks for those who have no voice. This Jesus in Luke’s Gospel, even more clearly than in the other Gospels, never leaves anyone utterly helpless or hopeless. He seems to say to me that I need never give up even in my failures - yes, and what is more, when I can see no way out of my difficulty then somehow He appears as particularly near and unusually beautiful. Where I confess: “I am unable,” He says: “I am able.”
What a wonderful book! What a glorious Savior it presents! Beautiful Savior, King of creation, Son of God and Son of Man Yes, I go singing the entire hymn as that hymn has reechoed down the centuries from the time the angels sang their Gloria in excelisis Deo on the fields of Bethlehem. That is really the theme of the whole Gospel of Luke: Beautiful Savior.”
This is the Jesus that I know. I would like for ever soul on earth to get to know him. My life is so much better since my renewal in Christ.
 
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