Born-again Christians

[ltwin]

Publisher, are you aware of the origins of the term “Quaker”? I heard (but could never find out if it was true or not) that the name came from the fact that early Quakers would experience bodily jerks and shakes. Do you know anything about that? It made me curious if Quakers had any influence on Pentecostals.

 

[Publisher]

Publisher, are you aware of the origins of the term “Quaker”? I heard (but could never find out if it was true or not) that the name came from the fact that early Quakers would experience bodily jerks and shakes. Do you know anything about that? It made me curious if Quakers had any influence on Pentecostals.

That is one of the origin stories of the name…when some Friends would stand to offer vocal ministry they would “quake”…the other origin story is that William Penn told King George he needed to “Quake in the fear of God”…“Quaker” was a name of derision the established faith traditions called members of the Society of Friends…Friends adopted it as a “badge of honor” instead of taking umbrage.

There is some historical mention of the manifestation of the “gifts of the Spirit”, including “speaking in tongues” among the early Friends…but manifestation of “spiritual gifts” also were displayed among the Shakers…called “shaking Quakers” even though not part of the Society of Friends…“Mother” Lee was a former Friend…as well as among the Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, and other “charismatic” groups that sought the “restoration” of “primitive Christianity” it seems.

 

[SteveVH]

That is one of the origin stories of the name…when some Friends would stand to offer vocal ministry they would “quake”…the other origin story is that William Penn told King George he needed to “Quake in the fear of God”…“Quaker” was a name of derision the established faith traditions called members of the Society of Friends…Friends adopted it as a “badge of honor” instead of taking umbrage.

There is some historical mention of the manifestation of the “gifts of the Spirit”, including “speaking in tongues” among the early Friends…but manifestation of “spiritual gifts” also were displayed among the Shakers…called “shaking Quakers” even though not part of the Society of Friends…“Mother” Lee was a former Friend…as well as among the Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, and other “charismatic” groups that sought the “restoration” of “primitive Christianity” it seems.

I don’t think that the Mromons or 7th Day Adventists would be considered “charismatic”, at least in todays understanding of the word. Just saying…

 

[ltwin]

I don’t think that the Mromons or 7th Day Adventists would be considered “charismatic”, at least in todays understanding of the word. Just saying…

No not today, but all of these groups developed around the same time and were all pretty restorationist. During Joseph Smith’s life when the Mormons built their first temple, there is an account that something like a “Pentecost” occurred and angels were seen and people were speaking in tongues.

The early Seventh Day Adventists also had accounts of people speaking in tongues as well as demonstrative religious ecstasy reminiscent of the more extraneous forms of Pentecostalism today. And don’t forget, Ellen G. White was considered a prophet by them.

Today of course you wouldn’t expect to find that sort of behavior. I was just curious about the name Quaker. Thanks for filling me in Publisher.

 

[Publisher]

I don’t think that the Mromons or 7th Day Adventists would be considered “charismatic”, at least in todays understanding of the word. Just saying…

No…not today…but then neither would Friends.

When the Kirtland temple was dedicated there are stories of ministering of angels and speaking in tongues and the like among the LDS.

I believe among the early SDA’s the “charismatic” gifts were also manifested.

 

[ltwin]

No…not today…but then neither would Friends.

When the Kirtland temple was dedicated there are stories of ministering of angels and speaking in tongues and the like among the LDS.

I believe among the early SDA’s the “charismatic” gifts were also manifested.

I think a lot of movements start out “charismatic” and then over time “settle down.” Look at your typical suburban white Pentecostal church. No one could accuse them of being too charismatic.

 

[Publisher]

No not today, but all of these groups developed around the same time and were all pretty restorationist. During Joseph Smith’s life when the Mormons built their first temple, there is an account that something like a “Pentecost” occurred and angels were seen and people were speaking in tongues.

The early Seventh Day Adventists also had accounts of people speaking in tongues as well as demonstrative religious ecstasy reminiscent of the more extraneous forms of Pentecostalism today. And don’t forget, Ellen G. White was considered a prophet by them.

Today of course you wouldn’t expect to find that sort of behavior. I was just curious about the name Quaker. Thanks for feeling me in Publisher.

We seem to have posted similar thoughts at the same time…LOL…“great minds” I guess.

 

[ltwin]

We seem to have posted similar thoughts at the same time…LOL…“great minds” I guess.

It seems they do.

 

[hn160]

We were born again, when we were baptized into Christ’s Death and Resurrection into the Eighth Day. The problem with born again Christians, they either have to be re-baptized over and over again because they feel that the first one didn’t take, so maybe the next will or they have to do altar calls because their walk isn’t so good.

 

[CopticChristian]

What are born-again Christians? My parents say that they are people that are dunked in the ocean and are considered reborn. They also said that they do this when they have done terrible things and I was wondering if it were true and, if not, then what are they?

Thanks

P.S. I am sorry if I offended anybody with what I said or the way that I said it. I’m pretty young and know very little about this.:imsorry:

Since you are a Catholic, and you are young, understand that it is a form of Protestant thought. All Protestant thought originated with Catholics like Knox, Zwingli, Luther and Calvin. The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church has always taught Baptism as a Baptism of regeneration consistent with Scripture and the dialogue Jesus had with Nicodemus. To enter the Kingdom you must be born again, of water and spirit.

Protestant have changed that by starting a new religion and regeneration is not necessarily through Baptism. You will find in Protestant though CredoBaptists and PedoBaptists. CredoBaptists teach a belief before baptism. PedoBatpists teach baby baptism.

Most Protestants emphasize accepting Jesus as personal lord and savior, having saving faith so that you can be saved. This is based on a misunderstanding of Romans 10:9. If you understand that the Letter to the Romans was written to Christians it would make no sense to put a formula as to how to be a Christian in the 10th chapter. The 6th Chapter has Baptism. The letter was written to Gentile, Jewish Christians and Jewish Christians that wanted to impose the Old Covenant rituals on new Christians. This statement is directed to the Judaizing Christian.

I am assuming that if you asked this question, someone may have asked you or you may have heard it from someone else. If anyone asks you as a Catholic if you are born again Christian, say yes. I was born of water and the spirit in baptism, regenerated by the Holy Spirit. I was given grace to be reckoned as righteous, truly righteous as a child of God, and filled with grace so I can do works truly pleasing to God. I was declared to be a child of God and so I am. My salvation is a work of God start to finish. If they ask if you go to a bible believing Church you say, but of Course and tell them your Church. If they try to tell you things that do not make sense, ask your parents, and I extend myself to you to be sure I can help you find the correct answer as it regards your Catholic faith.

I would be happy to speak to anyone that questions your faith. Think of me like Toy Story, you got a friend in me, you got a friend in me…

 

[Bix]

What are born-again Christians?

Born Again Christians are those who have experienced something comparable to the dark night of the soul.

Being born again includes a transformation of heart, soul and mind. A divine transformation after a journey, so to speak.

 

[CopticChristian]

Born Again Christians are those who have experienced something comparable to the dark night of the soul.

Being born again includes a transformation of heart, soul and mind. A divine transformation after a journey, so to speak.

John of The Cross was baptized, regenerated, Catholic and was born again long before he wrote dark night of the soul. How does this compute?

 

[Bix]

John of The Cross was baptized, regenerated, Catholic and was born again long before he wrote dark night of the soul. How does this compute?

The question was, “what are born again Christians?”

I answered with a reply using an example a Catholic could easily understand and relate to in comparison. That’s all…

 

[CopticChristian]

The question was, “what are born again Christians?”

I answered with a reply using an example a Catholic could easily understand and relate to in comparison. That’s all…

I am a catholic, I have read dark night of the soul, and you provided me that answer it would not compute. The meditation, go to the cross, imagine the cross, imagine what has been done for you, see Jesus on the Cross, ask what have I done, what shall I do…this is really tough stuff and has little to do in my opinon with beign baptized.

I am a born again Christian. Others may call themselves that for unknown reasons.

 

[Bix]

this is really tough stuff and has little to do in my opinon with beign baptized.

I am a born again Christian. Others may call themselves that for unknown reasons.

I don’t believe I compared it to being baptized…

The O.P.s question merely asked what are born again Christians. I took that to mean nonCatholics. If I was mistaken, forgive me.
That was my answer and comparison.

Have you always been Catholic?

 

[CopticChristian]

I don’t believe I compared it to being baptized…

The O.P.s question merely asked what are born again Christians. I took that to mean nonCatholics. If I was mistaken, forgive me.
That was my answer and comparison.

Have you always been Catholic?

The question was asked by a young Catholic. My answer was based on my desire to give the person information that would be useful, compliment parental teaching about the faith, compliment the catechismal teaching, what is known historically and provide an effort to avoid error by anyone that may have asked that question. We do not know how that question was generated. We are not told, someone asked me, I read it, I heard and so I took my best shot. My answers would be the same to any young Catholic, living with parents that I wanted to provide the most accurate information possible to keep their faith solid.

The statement that the person took it to mean non-catholic demands clarification. I clarified.
Yes

 

[Bix]

The question was asked by a young Catholic. My answer was based on my desire to give the person information that would be useful, compliment parental teaching about the faith, compliment the catechismal teaching, what is known historically and provide an effort to avoid error by anyone that may have asked that question. We do not know how that question was generated. We are not told, someone asked me, I read it, I heard and so I took my best shot. My answers would be the same to any young Catholic, living with parents that I wanted to provide the most accurate information possible to keep their faith solid.

The statement that the person took it to mean non-catholic demands clarification. I clarified.
Yes

I NEVER disputed (nor would I ) or even gave an answer regarding being born again and the Catholic faith.

You, brought up Protestants and being born again. I gave an answer in regards to being born again and Protestant as that was my understanding of the context of the question.

( As well as reasoning it was in regards to non Catholics as it was posted under non-Catholic religions…)

I commend you’re wanting to keep someone’s faith solid and give answers to the best of your knowledge. Hopefully, all aspire to do so.

 

[ltwin]

We were born again, when we were baptized into Christ’s Death and Resurrection into the Eighth Day. The problem with born again Christians, they either have to be re-baptized over and over again because they feel that the first one didn’t take, so maybe the next will or they have to do altar calls because their walk isn’t so good.

Huh?? We don’t have to be rebaptized because the “first one didn’t take.” I have never heard of anyone advocating that. I can imagine someone wanting to be rebaptized as a renewal of their dedication to God, but its not because the first one wasn’t effective or that it lost its effectiveness by the way the person lived their life. Baptism is a public identification with Christ, showing the world that the old you is buried and the new you is raised to life in Christ. You only have to do it once.

People go to the altar for a variety of reasons. The altar is a place of sacrifice, where you become a living sacrifice. It is there that you you meet with God and lay down things in your life that He doesn’t want you to have and pick up the things that He does have for you. Yes, it is a place for struggling Christians, but we all struggle and we all have to make our way to the altar (whether figuratively or literally). It is also a place you can go even if you aren’t struggling at that moment. The altar is also a place to offer praise to God.

 

[hn160]

Huh?? We don’t have to be rebaptized because the “first one didn’t take.” I have never heard of anyone advocating that. I can imagine someone wanting to be rebaptized as a renewal of their dedication to God, but its not because the first one wasn’t effective or that it lost its effectiveness by the way the person lived their life. Baptism is a public identification with Christ, showing the world that the old you is buried and the new you is raised to life in Christ. You only have to do it once.

People go to the altar for a variety of reasons. The altar is a place of sacrifice, where you become a living sacrifice. It is there that you you meet with God and lay down things in your life that He doesn’t want you to have and pick up the things that He does have for you. Yes, it is a place for struggling Christians, but we all struggle and we all have to make our way to the altar (whether figuratively or literally). It is also a place you can go even if you aren’t struggling at that moment. The altar is also a place to offer praise to God.

Some Evangelicals do not recognized Infant Baptism and if you want to join their church, you have to be baptized again. As far as altar calls, Lutherans only altar call is when we go to the altar rail to receive the Body and Blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. We have peace of mind after Holy Communion.
Only one Baptism is required to be saved, every Baptism after the first one is for show. A re-understanding of either Lutheran or Catholic benefits of Holy Communion would be better than altar calls.
I have friends that recently join a Bible church and they had to be re-Baptized.

 

[ltwin]

Some Evangelicals do not recognized Infant Baptism and if you want to join their church, you have to be baptized again. As far as altar calls, Lutherans only altar call is when we go to the altar rail to receive the Body and Blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. We have peace of mind after Holy Communion.
Only one Baptism is required to be saved, every Baptism after the first one is for show. A re-understanding of either Lutheran or Catholic benefits of Holy Communion would be better than altar calls.
I have friends that recently join a Bible church and they had to be re-Baptized.

Ok then it wouldn’t be “re-baptizing” to them then, since the person didn’t choose to be baptize so they never really were in the first place. At least that would be what they would say. It’s not a do over for them because they truly believe they haven’t been baptized yet. Their infant baptism can be looked at as the commitment and hope that their parents had that they would come to Christ when older.

No one doubts the benefits of Holy Communion, and no one should doubt the benefits of stepping out in faith and kneeling to God in earnest prayer supported and surrounded by other Christians who are earnestly interceding for you and supporting you like the family of God should.