Born in Nazareth?

[Faith1960]

It doesn’t matter WHERE He was born, but that He was INCARNATE of the Virgin Mary. (That’s another snafu that pseudo apologists argue tooth and nail, that Mary sinned and had other children) You can go nuts listening to those outside our faith who delight in taunting us with insidious challenges that serve no valid purpose except to decrease our beautiful simple faith.

God bless!

Thanks. God bless you, too.

 

[Faith1960]

It doesn’t matter WHERE He was born, but that He was INCARNATE of the Virgin Mary. (That’s another snafu that pseudo apologists argue tooth and nail, that Mary sinned and had other children) You can go nuts listening to those outside our faith who delight in taunting us with insidious challenges that serve no valid purpose except to decrease our beautiful simple faith.

God bless!

It just bothers me IF the Bible is wrong about this or Quirinius.

Some scholars including the one I spoke with say they added Bethlehem to tie it to the OT, to connect Jesus to David.

 

[Faith1960]

And I would say …talk with your Priest and those who provide medical care…

Such is rather to be “dismissed” and “not argued with”. For you will just go round and round…due to such.

I’ve talked to my priest about things but he’s really bogged down with taking over for our pastor who left.

Besides, sometimes .they don’t know the answers to my many questions anyway.

One priest I spoke with from another parish knew nothing about the Quirinous controversy and had to look it up.

 

[Faith1960]

Absolutely! It doesn’t change a single thing concerning our faith as expressed entirely in the Creed. You continue to find fault with the accuracy of the Bible, yet not in four threads have you ever accepted what others shared in order to help your unbelief. And here you are again, in yet another thread arguing about the same thing, almost as if you want everyone to believe that the bible is not trustworthy.

Going back to St. Luke who wrote the third gospel, it seems very clear that he obtained his information straight from Mary, Jesus’ mother, giving details found in no other gospel. Are you now trying to imply that maybe Mary isn’t being truthful about the census, her and Joseph’s journey to Bethlehem, and all the other facts surrounding His birth, the lack of room at the inn, the shepherds’ visitation, the heavenly chorus of angels? Or did St. Luke write fairy stories? All fiction? I am really disappointed in your lack of trust and faith.

As Jesus once remarked, Mark 10:15
“Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Your obsessive curiosity will be the death of your

I go back to the same thing over and over because inevitably someone will say the Bible has no discrepancies or we MUST believe it doesn’t.

 

[Sirach2]

It just bothers me IF the Bible is wrong about this or Quirinius.

Some scholars including the one I spoke with say they added Bethlehem to tie it to the OT, to connect Jesus to David.

While it makes no sense to nit-pik over Quirinius, I will persist in saying that there is just too much scripture to back up that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, whose Hebrew name means “House of Bread”. How fitting that the “Bread of Life” was to be born there. God loves to catch the crafty, while hiding his treasures and revealing them to the lowly.

I was blessed to travel to the Holy Land, and this link shows the picture of the tomb of David located below the Upper Room where Jesus instituted the Eucharist. I was also blessed to seek out and discover the meaning of why Jesus chose this room above David’s tomb. See what you think after reading this Old Testament prophecy to Nathan in 2 Sam. 7:11-15. It was fulfilled in the Upper Room, the new covenant announced to David centuries beforehand.

We have always known that the prophets foretold Jesus would come from the line of David, who lived as King in the City of David, Bethlehem. It makes perfect sense therefore, that Jesus would not be born in some isolated town in upper Galilee, rather than in Bethlehem, in Judaea. God doesn’t speak with crooked unconnected lines, but fulfills all prophesies that He spoke beforehand. Isa. 46:10, “At the beginning I declare the outcome; from of old, things not yet done. I say that my plan shall stand, I accomplish my every desire.”

Connect the dots, and the census has no bearing on the fact that Jesus was truly born of David’s line in Bethlehem. There simply is NO Bethlehem in Galilee! Nonsense!
Here’s a map during Jesus’ time: bible-history.com/maps/palestine_nt_times.html

 

[clem456]

Sirach2;13431909:

Absolutely! It doesn’t change a single thing concerning our faith as expressed entirely in the Creed. You continue to find fault with the accuracy of the Bible, yet not in four

threads have you ever accepted what others shared in order to help your unbelief. And here you are again, in yet another thread arguing about the same thing, almost as if you want everyone to believe that the bible is not trustworthy.

Going back to St. Luke who wrote the third gospel, it seems very clear that he obtained his information straight from Mary, Jesus’ mother, giving details found in no other gospel. Are you now trying to imply that maybe Mary isn’t being truthful about the census, her and Joseph’s journey to Bethlehem, and all the other facts surrounding His birth, the lack of room at the inn, the shepherds’ visitation, the heavenly chorus of angels? Or did St. Luke write fairy stories? All fiction? I am really disappointed in your lack of trust and faith.

As Jesus once remarked, Mark 10:15
“Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Your obsessive curiosity will be the death of your

I go back to the same thing over and over because inevitably someone will say the Bible has no discrepancies or we MUST believe it doesn’t.

The bible has accounts that differ in details.
Ok…
What more do you want to know?

 

[pianistclare]

While it makes no sense to nit-pik over Quirinius, I will persist in saying that there is just too much scripture to back up that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, whose Hebrew name means “House of Bread”. How fitting that the “Bread of Life” was to be born there. God loves to catch the crafty, while hiding his treasures and revealing them to the lowly.

I was blessed to travel to the Holy Land, and this link shows the picture of the tomb of David located below the Upper Room where Jesus instituted the Eucharist. I was also blessed to seek out and discover the meaning of why Jesus chose this room above David’s tomb. See what you think after reading this Old Testament prophecy to Nathan in 2 Sam. 7:11-15. It was fulfilled in the Upper Room, the new covenant announced to David centuries beforehand.

We have always known that the prophets foretold Jesus would come from the line of David, who lived as King in the City of David, Bethlehem. It makes perfect sense therefore, that Jesus would not be born in some isolated town in upper Galilee, rather than in Bethlehem, in Judah. God doesn’t speak with crooked unconnected lines, but fulfills all prophesies that He spoke beforehand. Isa. 46:10, “At the beginning I declare the outcome; from of old, things not yet done. I say that my plan shall stand, I accomplish my every desire.”

Connect the dots, and the census has no bearing on the fact that Jesus was truly born of David’s line in Bethlehem. There simply is NO Bethlehem in Galilee! Nonsense!

This.
OP, you are dancing dangerously close to people who would destroy your faith.
Pray. Receive Eucharist in a state of grace.
Stop obsessing.

Guard your soul.

 

[Bookcat]

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Some scholars including the one I spoke with say they added Bethlehem to tie it to the OT, to connect Jesus to David.

And such would NOT come from the sources…but their imaginations…

The sources say: wait for it…

Bethlehem.

 

[pianistclare]

And such would come from the sources…but their imaginations…

The sources say: wait for it…

Bethlehem.

Yes. Quite right.

 

[Faith1960]

While it makes no sense to nit-pik over Quirinius, I will persist in saying that there is just too much scripture to back up that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, whose Hebrew name means “House of Bread”. How fitting that the “Bread of Life” was to be born there. God loves to catch the crafty, while hiding his treasures and revealing them to the lowly.

I was blessed to travel to the Holy Land, and this link shows the picture of the tomb of David located below the Upper Room where Jesus instituted the Eucharist. I was also blessed to seek out and discover the meaning of why Jesus chose this room above David’s tomb. See what you think after reading this Old Testament prophecy to Nathan in 2 Sam. 7:11-15. It was fulfilled in the Upper Room, the new covenant announced to David centuries beforehand.

We have always known that the prophets foretold Jesus would come from the line of David, who lived as King in the City of David, Bethlehem. It makes perfect sense therefore, that Jesus would not be born in some isolated town in upper Galilee, rather than in Bethlehem, in Judaea. God doesn’t speak with crooked unconnected lines, but fulfills all prophesies that He spoke beforehand. Isa. 46:10, “At the beginning I declare the outcome; from of old, things not yet done. I say that my plan shall stand, I accomplish my every desire.”

Connect the dots, and the census has no bearing on the fact that Jesus was truly born of David’s line in Bethlehem. There simply is NO Bethlehem in Galilee! Nonsense!
Here’s a map during Jesus’ time: bible-history.com/maps/palestine_nt_times.html

First you said it doesnt matter WHERE He was born now you’re insisting the Bible is correct

 

[pianistclare]

Yes. Quite right.

Yes…NOT from their imaginations.

 

[Mystrx]

There is no more evidence or tradition (apart from Scripture) for a Nativity in Nazareth than there is for the classical Bethlehem scenario. I’d not waste neurons on this question.

ICXC NIKA

Yes exactly.

 

[clem456]

First you said it doesnt matter WHERE He was born now you’re insisting the Bible is correct

You don’t understand what inerrancy is.
Inerrancy does not equal factual. Factual is factual. True is True. They are not the same exact thing. Related, but not the same.

For example, the parable of the prodigal son does not describe factual events. It is a story. Jesus himself, THE Word made flesh, uses a non-factual story to give us Truth.

Can you see the difference?

 

[Sirach2]

First you said it doesnt matter WHERE He was born now you’re insisting the Bible is correct

I’m saying that overall, the scriptures reveal truth in many other ways than by taking an isolated verse, such as the census, and building an entire case around it for falsity. There are just too many spiritual concepts, prophecies, and repeated inferences throughout the bible that point to truth, whereas the isolated verse is more than likely just an isolated misunderstanding on the part of the evangelist, or on the part of those who read scripture. This is where faith comes in, knowing that God cannot deceive us, so it has to be a discrepancy that escapes our present understanding. Remember, there are differences in understanding the language of ancient cultures, by using our present language to interpret it.

For instance, let’s look at the hour Jesus was crucified. Mark 15:25 says it was in the **third hour, **9:00 a.m., whereas John 19:14-15 says that it was during the **sixth hour **(different clock). He was still not crucified yet but was being judged before Pilate. This was at about 6 a.m.
So three hours later, He was crucified. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Acts use Hebrew time for their reckoning. John uses Roman time.

Some would argue that the bible is wrong. *REALLY?? *Here’s another one.

Do you believe a “rooster” crowed twice prior to Peter’s denial of Our Lord? It was not a rooster, since the Holy City would consider it profanation to keep these fowl in the city (which was urban, and not rural.).

The Romans and the Jews divided the night into four watches—6 p.m.to 9 p.m.; 9 p.m. to midnight; midnight to 3 a.m.; 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. It was between the third and fourth watch that the cock was supposed to crow. The third period gained its name from the fact that roosters began to crow about the end of that period and continued to crow periodically until after daybreak. The hour of 3 a.m. was called “cock-crow” for this reason. **At that hour the Roman guard was changed in the Castle of Antonia; and the sign of the changing of the guard was a trumpet call. The Latin for that trumpet call was galliciniuim, which meant, “cock-crow.” **

 

[Faith1960]

While it makes no sense to nit-pik over Quirinius, I will persist in saying that there is just too much scripture to back up that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, whose Hebrew name means “House of Bread”. How fitting that the “Bread of Life” was to be born there. God loves to catch the crafty, while hiding his treasures and revealing them to the lowly.

I was blessed to travel to the Holy Land, and this link shows the picture of the tomb of David located below the Upper Room where Jesus instituted the Eucharist. I was also blessed to seek out and discover the meaning of why Jesus chose this room above David’s tomb. See what you think after reading this Old Testament prophecy to Nathan in 2 Sam. 7:11-15. It was fulfilled in the Upper Room, the new covenant announced to David centuries beforehand.

We have always known that the prophets foretold Jesus would come from the line of David, who lived as King in the City of David, Bethlehem. It makes perfect sense therefore, that Jesus would not be born in some isolated town in upper Galilee, rather than in Bethlehem, in Judaea. God doesn’t speak with crooked unconnected lines, but fulfills all prophesies that He spoke beforehand. Isa. 46:10, “At the beginning I declare the outcome; from of old, things not yet done. I say that my plan shall stand, I accomplish my every desire.”

Connect the dots, and the census has no bearing on the fact that Jesus was truly born of David’s line in Bethlehem. There simply is NO Bethlehem in Galilee! Nonsense!
Here’s a map during Jesus’ time: bible-history.com/maps/palestine_nt_times.html

archive.archaeology.org/0511/abstracts/jesus.html

 

[Faith1960]

You don’t understand what inerrancy is.
Inerrancy does not equal factual. Factual is factual. True is True. They are not the same exact thing. Related, but not the same.

For example, the parable of the prodigal son does not describe factual events. It is a story. Jesus himself, THE Word made flesh, uses a non-factual story to give us Truth.

Can you see the difference?

So Jesus COULD have been born in Nazareth and it wouldn’t matter?

 

[Sirach2]

By posting the last link, I see that you are committed to believing these people rather than scripture scholars. So be it. Be my guest. I won’t twist your arm, but neither will I debate this any longer, since it is falling on deaf ears.
You may have not seen yet the two seemingly false versions of scripture I posted before your last link. Take a look. And, bye …

 

[Faith1960]

By posting the last link, I see that you are committed to believing these people rather than scripture scholars. So be it. Be my guest. I won’t twist your arm, but neither will I debate this any longer, since it is falling on deaf ears.
You may have not seen yet the two seemingly false versions of scripture I posted before your last link. Take a look. And, bye …

Where did you quote Scriptural scholars? Names please?

 

[clem456]

So Jesus COULD have been born in Nazareth and it wouldn’t matter?

I don’t do hypotheticals but…

If they found a carbon dated stone in Nazareth that said
“JESUS WAS BORN RIGHT HERE” with an arrow pointing down to a spot, it wouldn’t mean a hill of beans to me in terms of my approach to the bible because I’m not an historian.

You?

 

[Faith1960]

I don’t do hypotheticals but…

If they found a carbon dated stone in Nazareth that said
“JESUS WAS BORN RIGHT HERE” with an arrow pointing down to a spot, it wouldn’t mean a hill of beans to me in terms of my approach to the bible because I’m not an historian.

You?

I think it would bother me because I was brought up believing the Bible was true, factual…whatever word you want to use.