Boston bomber angry at the U.S

[ishii]

Every school would still need to meet federal reviews, and teachers who taught jihadist mentality would be imprisoned for treason.

Constitutional republican values would continue as they are and peace would result due to common appreciation of other cultures… Pop-culture will have been completely extracted and cultural VARIETY would take its place entirely.

Every school would be specifically designed toward a particular principle, some cultural, some ethnic, some religious and others geared toward a combination, no two being exactly the same… Nobody would be ‘forced’ to attend any particular one, but parents would choose whichever one they thought best represented their family culture/goals.

Two questions: why would their be a common appreciation of cultures if people went to schools based on their ethnic/culture identity? How would we avoid the balkanization of America based on culture?

Ishii

 

[polki]

Well, no.

I think that maybe you have missed my point.

1. Forgiveness is one central tenet of every major religion.
2. We should encourage such forgiveness in all faiths.

I am talking about paying it forward. I am talking about loving our neighbor and our enemy. If I take out a sword, it inspires my enemy to do the same. If I offer forgiveness…

Since almost all of the people on the FBI’s 30 Most Wanted Terrorists are Muslims, I don’t think they are getting the message.

 

[jmcrae]

Going to big schools together forces everyone to either blend or battle… Pop-culture wins and you become a product of that culture.

Not if parents and religious leaders are doing their job. Did you ever meet a Jew or a Mormon who lost his faith in public school? Never - because they were at worship and in religion classes every week, and they were actively living their faith at home.

By contrast, you meet lapsed Catholics who lost their faith at Catholic school, simply because their parents abdicated the role of teaching religion to the school, which isn’t equipped for the job. Schools are equipped to teach theories, rules, formulae, and ideas, but sitting at a desk memorizing the Catechism is no substitute for a lived faith.

With many small schools, people are forced to know many different types of people outside the confines of pop-culture, and then continue to grow socially in a multicultural society.

And how would they do that, if they are isolated from people who are different from themselves?

 

[livingwordunity]

Liberals are always saying that Muslims get treated unfairly. I wonder if they believe that this confirms it.

Being a conservative Muslim man of non-white origin is the new pinnacle of the mountain of victimhood of the left.

Even gay rights and feminism must defer to them.

Out of fear.

 

[TEPO]

Not if parents and religious leaders are doing their job. Did you ever meet a Jew or a Mormon who lost his faith in public school? Never - because they were at worship and in religion classes every week, and they were actively living their faith at home.

Absolutely false, my high school friend Brian grew up in a very strict and devout Mormon family from Utah. After relocating to our small Indiana town, our Junior year, he left town and hitchhiked across the country to California. He wanted me to go, but i was becoming involved with a young lady who would later become my wife. When Brian came back he was a completely different person. 18 years later he still lives under the bridge. . His parents sold the house and moved back to Utah.

Brian was my best friend. We became “deadheads” together. We were hard core.

…if you ever find yourself in Valparaiso Indiana, just ask the towns people about the Frog Man. That’s my best friend.

 

[ishii]

Absolutely false, my high school friend Brian grew up in a very strict and devout Mormon family from Utah. After relocating to our small Indiana town, our Junior year, he left town and hitchhiked across the country to California. He wanted me to go, but i was becoming involved with a young lady who would later become my wife. When Brian came back he was a completely different person. 18 years later he still lives under the bridge. . His parents sold the house and moved back to Utah.

Brian was my best friend. We became “deadheads” together. We were hard core.

…if you ever find yourself in Valparaiso Indiana, just ask the towns people about the Frog Man. That’s my best friend.

Never met a Mormon who lost their faith in public school. My impression of Mormons is that they maintain a pretty strong faith throughout - even while attending public school. Of course not ALL are like that - like your friend the Frogman of Indiana.

Ishii

 

[TEPO]

By contrast, you meet lapsed Catholics who lost their faith at Catholic school, simply because their parents abdicated the role of teaching religion to the school, which isn’t equipped for the job. Schools are equipped to teach theories, rules, formulae, and ideas, but sitting at a desk memorizing the Catechism is no substitute for a lived faith.

I went through Catholic schooling up until Sophomore year in HS, where I then transferred to a public school. During that time, somehow I became an Atheist/Pantheist. When it became time to marry, my conscience guided me straight back to the Holy Catholic Church where I came from. My wife converted and all my kids are Baptized. I do my best to raise them in the faith -but it was my childhood (Catholic) education that ultimately made all that happen.

 

[ishii]

I went through Catholic schooling up until Sophomore year in HS, where I then transferred to a public school. During that time, somehow I became an Atheist/Pantheist. When it became time to marry, my conscience guided me straight back to the Holy Catholic Church where I came from. My wife converted and all my kids are Baptized. I do my best to raise them in the faith -but it was my childhood (Catholic) education that ultimately made all that happen.

I am surprised and saddened by how many of my fellow (catholic) high school graduates have fallen away from the Catholic faith. It is not the school so much as the home which instills the faith in people.

Ishii

 

[TEPO]

I am surprised and saddened by how many of my fellow (catholic) high school graduates have fallen away from the Catholic faith. It is not the school so much as the home which instills the faith in people.

Ishii

Your point is very much valid. My brother and sister both raised in the Catholic school system (my sister all the way to completion of H.S.) have lost their faith entirely. . What’s worse is that they were designated as the Godparents of my oldest two girls!

It is very saddening. It must have been the time period that my parents raised us that somehow distracted them from helping us keep our faith. or something…

 

[ishii]

Your point is very much valid. My brother and sister both raised in the Catholic school system (my sister all the way to completion of H.S.) have lost their faith entirely. . What’s worse is that they were designated as the Godparents of my oldest two girls!

It is very saddening. It must have been the time period that my parents raised us that somehow distracted them from helping us keep our faith. or something…

I guess there are no guarantees with either public school or catholic. I think we are emerging from an era of incomplete catechesis and lukewarmism of the 70’s-80’s to a stronger Catholicism that hopefully sticks. As we all know, its possible for people to sort of fall away for a while but come back due to something in our upbringing that went dormant for a while but was awakened. I remember heading south to Eugene in '90 or so with the intention of seeing the Dead but got as far as Albany and ended up playing golf with my cousin. I sometimes wonder where I’d be now if I’d seen the Dead then. Garcia died a few years later.

Ishii

 

[TEPO]

I guess there are no guarantees with either public school or catholic. I think we are emerging from an era of incomplete catechesis and lukewarmism of the 70’s-80’s to a stronger Catholicism that hopefully sticks. As we all know, its possible for people to sort of fall away for a while but come back due to something in our upbringing that went dormant for a while but was awakened. I remember heading south to Eugene in '90 or so with the intention of seeing the Dead but got as far as Albany and ended up playing golf with my cousin. I sometimes wonder where I’d be now if I’d seen the Dead then. Garcia died a few years later.

Ishii

All good points here and although I’ll admit to listening to the Dead channel on XM radio somewhat frequently, I don’t think I would feel comfortable associating myself with other Deadheads of that culture. I’m more like a hybrid version of that now. I’m a devout Catholic after all.

 

[OneSheep]

Hello Onesheep. A couple of points: the bombers were here in America for many years and were educated in America. So one could say that they either were a product of the modern liberal American public education system, or at the least, that the modern public education system did not give them many reasons to like America or counter the views of those who were trying to brainwash them into becoming terrorists. What a far cry from the immigrants from Asia and Europe of the past who ended up being among the most patriotic Americans. The Japanese, for example had their families sent to internment camps and they still managed to produced the most decorated units of WW2! The difference I think is the society they grew up in (and education system) compared to now. In the past, immigrants came to America and the education system reinforced the idea that America, while not perfect, was a great country that everyone was lucky to be living in. Unfortunately, now - we seem to have a view of America that is very negative. Our education system emphasizes the injustices and negative things about America. Were the two bombers the product of this education system? What made them so easy to corrupt? Did their experience and education reinforce the idea of America as a great country or reinforce the idea of America as a country that does bad around the world - particularly in the middeast? I think these are valid questions. Of course, the America of the past was more wholesome and wasn’t so decadent and immoral as it is now - in terms of the culture anyway.

As for forgiveness, I agree with what you’re saying. But while we must forgive, we must also protect ourselves agains future attacks.

Ishii

Some great questions here, Ishii. What corrupted their thinking about the U.S.? And, absolutely, we must protect ourselves.

But this is also the great thing about forgiveness. Promoting forgiveness not only promotes reconciliation, but we are also protecting ourselves.

All of us are capable of being corrupted. People violate what we think of as just, and we feel resentful. The violator becomes the object of our resentment, and our empathy is blocked. Jesus was right on when He said “for they do not know what they are doing.” Our minds literally block out perception of humanity or goodness of the people we resent. When we are perceiving that a person is worthless, evil, or anything negative, this is exactly when we need to make the effort to forgive. It was exactly when those two kids needed to make the effort to forgive. They did not.

 

[OneSheep]

People who would do the thing that these bombers did are evil to the core.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that evil people hate America, all that it is, and all that is stands for.
for people who love evil, America is the country to express their hatred against.

Evil is a matter of perception, though, Darryl. Not every Muslim thinks America is evil, and not every person thinks that the the bombers are evil.

Perception of “evil” in terms of applying the term to a person, is an ultimate judgment against someone. Jesus asks us not to do such judgment, for good reason. Once we perceive that someone is evil, our empathy is blocked, and we see no harm in destroying the person, it may even be seen as a good thing to destroy such “evil people”. Those who hung Jesus on the cross saw Him as evil. They were blind.

It was Jesuit Fr. Anthony De Mello who said “If you have any feelings of negativity toward anyone, you are living in an illusion.” Though he was a psychoanalyst, his words went right along with those spoken by Jesus 2000 years earlier. Resentment blinds us. When I perceive that someone is evil or worthless, I know that it is time to forgive. When I have forgiven and understand the person, I can still see the actions as evil, but the person not. This, of course, does not mean that we are to let people do bad things to us nor seek penalties against those who do harm to others, I must add.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

Which is EXACTLY what can happen when you give people freebies. They don’t appreciate where it comes from because they don’t have to work to get it.

I’ll wait for the** “help the poor” crowd here on CAF** to try and twist that with progressive logic.

I don’t think it takes progressive logic to want to help the poor, and I am not sure why that is in quotes. Christ Himself told us to help the poor.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

I agree in part with what you said, but disagree that it’s the public education system- I think it’s the whole entire modern education system as a whole. I believe that in our multi-cultural society, schools should be segregated in order to preserve culture rather than destroy it through integration. Through the destruction of ‘traditional’ culture breeds the highly progressive and hyper biased ‘pop-culture’, which is a manufactured culture which hasn’t ever actually proved to be beneficial since its conception in the 1960’s. This ‘pop-culture’ has infected all schools including Catholic ones.

The modern ‘pop-culture’ was first conceived during the Vietnam war as a ‘common’ goal within different cultures in America and became the beginning of modern progressivism as a whole which has spread throughout the entire ‘Western’ world.

If Muslim Arabs had the option to attend schools based on their culture, then they could have had the chance to get their hatred for America purged through discussion with trained teachers from their own culture… They wouldn’t have all this ‘bottled-up’ discontent with no way of expressing it other than through violence.

…in the same way, other cultures could benefit from this by eliminating the huge, mega-highschools and replacing them with many smaller schools. Extra curricular activities like sports could be integrated with other schools of any culture in order to engage in real world type events, but education itself needs to be made more accurate to each individual and his or her culture.

Besides, both the USCCB and the UN support the preservation of “culture”. so should we all.

I agree that to a certain extent it is good to preserve culture. But I strongly disagree that segregation is the best way to accomplish that.

 

[TEPO]

I agree that to a certain extent it is good to preserve culture. But I strongly disagree that segregation is the best way to accomplish that.

The kind of segregation I’m talking about is not ethnic or racial specifically, although some minority groups might enjoy that. In any case, we should all be free to assimilate ourselves with whatever culture we choose. What I’m referring to specifically is the preservation of cultural diversity.

Compare the Melting Pot theory to a new ideology that would represent something more like a “kaleidoscope Culture”. This is becoming more necessary in my opinion because of the path that the melting pot ideology has taken… If we did this, the pop-culture drones could keep that culture as their own and not infect future generations whether they be cultural reverts, immigrants, or cultural hybrids. In any case, there would be an end to the two party revolving door system as well as the dominating pop (host) culture, which would be good IMO. I’ve coined a new term for this very specific reason. We should all become familiar with my new terminology: Melting Pot Theology!

Melting Pot Theology: A man made culture/religion based on the relativist ideology that matches all religions, cultures and science up against each other in order to find solutions on ONE system that works for EVERY different way of life. These ‘solutions’ , however, tend to become meaningless because they aren’t actually relative to everyone. They exist outside of the naturally developed cultures that have historically taken thousands of years to develop. This new ‘culture’ is created synthetically typically within ten years or so. Its purpose is primarily used only as a measuring tool to validate social anarchy. It’s ‘values’ are accepted in some cases as a social expectation for all other cultures to adopt which makes it more of a blend between a cultural and religious movement.

 

[TEPO]

The greatest part about it is that only a few simple changes would be required to make this happen. We would need to restructure the education system by creating lots and lots of smaller schools dedicated to the specific cultural identities of specific cultures through polls. This would require the elimination of the current academic and school system as we know it.

Secondly, there should be an increased demand for media outlets which would smother the host culture with multi-cultural media as competition.

…this would be enough in my opinion to destroy pop-culture.

 

[TEPO]

…as followers of Jesus, we learned in Matthew 21:12, that it is required through non-violence to others specifically, that we must overturn the structures that stand in the way of accomplishing Gods natural plan for humanity.

 

[GaryTaylor]

voanews.com/content/boston-bombing-suspect-has-no-place-for-burial/1655335.html

No place to bury the body, few states said no.

 

[jmcrae]

voanews.com/content/boston-bombing-suspect-has-no-place-for-burial/1655335.html

No place to bury the body, few states said no.

WOW, that’s harsh. Even his parents don’t want anything to do with his funeral.