Boston bomber angry at the U.S

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I just received another email with a picture of the young boy, Martin Richard, who was killed in the bombing. He holds a poster saying “No more hurting people”. I have seen it before, but it hit just as hard this time as the last time.

I am trying to do all I can to honor this amazing child. Let’s do it for him, folks, if nothing else. Forgive, and promote forgiveness. Where there is discord, bring unity.

Talk to a person from another religion and ask them about how forgiveness is promoted in their circles. If we hear someone blasting conservatives, liberals, environmentalists, gun advocates, Muslims, Christians, atheists, whoever they may be criticizing, ask them to forgive first before proceeding to make change.

I don’t want Martin’s message to go away, ever. We have to make Martin’s wishes happen. It won’t happen by itself.
 
OneSheep said:
I just received another email with a picture of the young boy, Martin Richard, who was killed in the bombing. He holds a poster saying “No more hurting people”. I have seen it before, but it hit just as hard this time as the last time.

I am trying to do all I can to honor this amazing child. Let’s do it for him, folks, if nothing else. Forgive, and promote forgiveness. Where there is discord, bring unity.

Talk to a person from another religion and ask them about how forgiveness is promoted in their circles. If we hear someone blasting conservatives, liberals, environmentalists, gun advocates, Muslims, Christians, atheists, whoever they may be criticizing, ask them to forgive first before proceeding to make change.

I don’t want Martin’s message to go away, ever. We have to make Martin’s wishes happen. It won’t happen by itself.
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There are good people who happen to be Muslim. The Muslims who are more peaceful are the ones who are Muslim in name alone but who are more influenced by Western culture. But the religion of Islam itself is what is bad. When a Muslim gets serious about Islam they know no tolerance or forgiveness because the religion of Islam teaches no tolerance or forgiveness. That’s what happened with those bombers. They changed into what they did after they started to get more serious about Islam which is always the way it happens with Islamic terrorists. 🙂
 
OneSheep said:
Evil is a matter of perception, though, Darryl.
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No it is not.
Evil is real enough.
I don’t believe that morality is relative, sorry.
Not every Muslim thinks America is evil, and not every person thinks that the the bombers are evil.
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the fiormer statement is a non sequitur, and the latter statement needs to be qualified with anyone who does not think that these bombers are evil are complicit in that evil.
Perception of “evil” in terms of applying the term to a person, is an ultimate judgment against someone. Jesus asks us not to do such judgment, for good reason. Once we perceive that someone is evil, our empathy is blocked, and we see no harm in destroying the person, it may even be seen as a good thing to destroy such “evil people”. Those who hung Jesus on the cross saw Him as evil. They were blind.
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No, they didn’t see Jesus as evil. they knew that he was good, but it was convenient for them to kill him anyway
It was Jesuit Fr. Anthony De Mello who said “If you have any feelings of negativity toward anyone, you are living in an illusion.” Though he was a psychoanalyst, his words went right along with those spoken by Jesus 2000 years earlier. Resentment blinds us. When I perceive that someone is evil or worthless, I know that it is time to forgive. When I have forgiven and understand the person, I can still see the actions as evil, but the person not. This, of course, does not mean that we are to let people do bad things to us nor seek penalties against those who do harm to others, I must add.
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I would love to poke him in the bum with a pin, and ask him how he feels about that.
Then I would do it again, and ask him how he feel about that.
Then I would do it again, until I get an actual honest answer.
 
Terrorists are angry at changes in society. They object to modernism in every sense. These bombers, or at least one, were kicked out of their Mosqs because they objected to celebrating holidays. They had an angry outburst over holiday celebration and were kicked out. They were very fanatical people, on the level with the Taliban. These types of people really object to a society not governed by extream religious zealots.

It’s sad because two people took an entire city to the brink.
 
livingwordunity said:
There are good people who happen to be Muslim. The Muslims who are more peaceful are the ones who are Muslim in name alone but who are more influenced by Western culture. But the religion of Islam itself is what is bad. When a Muslim gets serious about Islam they know no tolerance or forgiveness because the religion of Islam teaches no tolerance or forgiveness. That’s what happened with those bombers. They changed into what they did after they started to get more serious about Islam which is always the way it happens with Islamic terrorists. 🙂
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When you get a Christian serious about their faith - taking it to the logical conclusion - you get Mother Theresa.

When you get a Muslim serious about his faith taking it to the logical conclusion you get a suicide bomber.

Ishii
 
GaryTaylor said:
That’s not true, forgiveness is a condition only met on Islamic terms. What is Islam and those who engage in religious dialogue doing to address the slaughter and subjugation of non-Muslims that is justified by the texts and teachings of Islam?
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It is also interesting to note that ‘Salaam’/Peace also infers/requires the submission of one to another.
 
jmcrae said:
WOW, that’s harsh. Even his parents don’t want anything to do with his funeral.
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Yes it is, State of Mass. is adamant about the State/Government having nothing to do with a private burial situation. That said, Worcester, Mass. was going to handle the process, then the public protests/cemetery issue began.

If I’m not mistaken the particular Worcester Funeral Home that showed interest, does all the death victims who have no family, homeless or are unidentified etc. I believe this is why initially they wanted to take care of it. They can’t find a cemetery. After the public reaction up there, quickly everyone else started backing away.

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As far as Islam goes, please, people, let us focus on the similarities rather than the differences. Some of the recent poster’s voices of condemnation are of the same tone as the voices that blew up people in Boston. Forgive, people, please forgive. This is our calling always. If you see a group of people or a religion as bad, know that it is time to forgive.

CatholicGeek supplied these quotes earlier in this thread. These are all great starting points when talking with our Muslim friends:

Hold to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the ignorant. (Qur’an, 7: 199)

They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur’an, 24:22)

The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah… (Qur’an, 42:40)

But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur’an, 64: 14)

Jesus forgave an unrepentant crowd from the cross. He forgave unconditionally. Please, do not hang onto your grudges like the two bombers did.
 
OneSheep said:
We can only hope and pray that the idea of loving our enemies becomes adapted by people of all faiths. - by example, it could happen.
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Lots of things could happen, but are very unlikely to happen.

In the meantime, while we’re hoping and praying, we need to be watchful and support the vigilance of our government in rooting out terrorists such as the Boston bombers, who were doing anything but loving their enemies and in fact were the aggressors.

Radical Islam promotes evil, through violence. It barely matters that “the majority of Muslims are peaceful people.” That majority is the silent, inactive, unbelligerent, and unfortunately powerless majority. The radical minority are those carrying out destruction, effectively. Check out the carnage that was brought into the Boston hospitals.

While you’re busy organizing forgiveness on an internet forum, they’re busy organizing their next attack.

It’s important to be realistic while promoting idealism. And I will never promote 'forgiveness" at the expense of life and limb of innocent bystanders at a marathon. They are not only my brothers and sisters in the human family, who were not the aggressors, they are my fellow Americans, who should be defended against evil.

Yes, evil.
 
OneSheep said:
As far as Islam goes, please, people, let us focus on the similarities rather than the differences. Some of the recent poster’s voices of condemnation are of the same tone as the voices that blew up people in Boston. Forgive, people, please forgive. This is our calling always. If you see a group of people or a religion as bad, know that it is time to forgive.

CatholicGeek supplied these quotes earlier in this thread. These are all great starting points when talking with our Muslim friends:

Hold to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the ignorant. (Qur’an, 7: 199)

They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur’an, 24:22)

The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah… (Qur’an, 42:40)

But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur’an, 64: 14)

Jesus forgave an unrepentant crowd from the cross. He forgave unconditionally. Please, do not hang onto your grudges like the two bombers did.
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Onesheep, we have an obligation to try to understand the nature of what motivates our enemies. And we are justified in protecting ourselves from radical Islam and those who would do us harm. The ideas of forgiveness of enemies and protection from enemies are NOT mutually exclusive. All your talk about “focussing on the positive about Islam” seems to ignore that fact that the vast majority of wars/hostilities around the world involve radical Islam. As a country, we need to do a better job of screening immigrants from Islamic countries. And we certainly need to deport any immigrant who displays radical Islamic tendencies and immigrants who commit felonies. We don’t need them. Do you have children? If so, I would hope that their safety would be concern for you.

Ishii
 
Elizabeth502 said:
Lots of things could happen, but are very unlikely to happen.

In the meantime, while we’re hoping and praying, we need to be watchful and support the vigilance of our government in rooting out terrorists such as the Boston bombers, who were doing anything but loving their enemies and in fact were the aggressors.

Radical Islam promotes evil, through violence. It barely matters that “the majority of Muslims are peaceful people.” That majority is the silent, inactive, unbelligerent, and unfortunately powerless majority. The radical minority are those carrying out destruction, effectively. Check out the carnage that was brought into the Boston hospitals.

While you’re busy organizing forgiveness on an internet forum, they’re busy organizing their next attack.

It’s important to be realistic while promoting idealism. And I will never promote 'forgiveness" at the expense of life and limb of innocent bystanders at a marathon. They are not only my brothers and sisters in the human family, who were not the aggressors, they are my fellow Americans, who should be defended against evil.

Yes, evil.
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Amen! That radical minority hates liberals as well as conservatives alike. They hate everything American and there’s no way around that. And the thing is, I don’t think there’s any possible way that this will ever change. I’m really surprised that more of these type of attacks haven’t already happened. I remember after 9/11 how they described the level of detail in the planning and the patience with which the terrorists went about their daily lives waiting for that fateful day. I can’t help thinking if in fact new recruits aren’t already here biding time, patiently waiting for a lull in our vigilance. One thing I don’t see with a lot of Americans is just that…patience…myself included. :o So as you say, we all need to be ultra, ultra vigilant. It’s the average citizen like you and me that can make a big difference.

Peace, Mark
 
Elizabeth502 said:
Lots of things could happen, but are very unlikely to happen.
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You are pessimistic on the idea of spreading forgiveness.
In the meantime, while we’re hoping and praying, we need to be watchful and support the vigilance of our government in rooting out terrorists such as the Boston bombers, who were doing anything but loving their enemies and in fact were the aggressors.
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Agreed.
Radical Islam promotes evil, through violence. It barely matters that “the majority of Muslims are peaceful people.” That majority is the silent, inactive, unbelligerent, and unfortunately powerless majority. The radical minority are those carrying out destruction, effectively. Check out the carnage that was brought into the Boston hospitals.
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While you’re busy organizing forgiveness on an internet forum, they’re busy organizing their next attack.
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Well, our military and police need to continue putting out fires, but we people of faith need to work on the lasting solutions that bring about reconciliation. Every one of us can make a difference by promoting forgiveness.
It’s important to be realistic while promoting idealism. And I will never promote 'forgiveness" at the expense of life and limb of innocent bystanders at a marathon. They are not only my brothers and sisters in the human family, who were not the aggressors, they are my fellow Americans, who should be defended against evil.
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Yes, evil.
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Forgiveness should not be promoted instead of protecting ourselves from aggression. My calling here is to promote forgiveness. Someone else’s calling is to hunt down aggressors. We all play our roles.
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Onesheep, we have an obligation to try to understand the nature of what motivates our enemies. And we are justified in protecting ourselves from radical Islam and those who would do us harm. The ideas of forgiveness of enemies and protection from enemies are NOT mutually exclusive. All your talk about “focussing on the positive about Islam” seems to ignore that fact that the vast majority of wars/hostilities around the world involve radical Islam. As a country, we need to do a better job of screening immigrants from Islamic countries. And we certainly need to deport any immigrant who displays radical Islamic tendencies and immigrants who commit felonies. We don’t need them. Do you have children? If so, I would hope that their safety would be concern for you.

Ishii
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I have no qualms about what you are saying about immigration. I have said several times here, too, that we need to continue to protect ourselves. Forgiveness never excludes the seeking of protection or justice.

Focusing on the positive is a starting point for dialog and action in cooperation with peoples of other faiths. It does no good to approach Muslims or people of any other religion with our criticism. It does do great good to accentuate the positives, especially forgiveness, and mobilize people to make a difference in their own communities.
 
ishii said:
When you get a Christian serious about their faith - taking it to the logical conclusion - you get Mother Theresa.

When you get a Muslim serious about his faith taking it to the logical conclusion you get a suicide bomber.

Ishii
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Excellent observation.
 
From the CCC:

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

Please, stop the insults against Muslims. CatholicGeek posted some quotes from the Koran that are to guide the Muslim faithful. Forgive.

We all adore a merciful God, the problems start when we individuals fail to forgive. Please forgive. Insults do not reflect forgiveness.
 
OneSheep said:
From the CCC:

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
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Those are the faithful Muslims. Bombers and suicide bombers are not faithful Muslims. Rather, just like so many dissenting Catholics ;), they have invented their own religion. They are political “Muslims” whose actions have nothing in common with any “religion of peace” anywhere on the world.

The CCC is speaking about orthodox, non-political Muslims, not about the two charming Boston bombers.
 
GaryTaylor said:
No city officials anywhere will allow the burial. The prison in Mass offered a sight Monday, they stopped returning calls today.

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I honestly think the wife should be responsible for this, like it or not. Im not sure she is even involved. The last news report I heard was that she was trying to “distance” herself from anything to do with her husband. If she can’t find a place to bury it, she should be responsible for paying for all of the extra police detail.
As a civil society, we have a duty to bury the dead. I thought Muslims required their dead to be buried right away. I think a lot of people are jumping on the bandwagon not to allow the body to be buried on their turf, for fear of repercussions.
 
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