Boston Catholic schools will enroll children of same-sex parents

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I’ve got to admit, you’ve sure managed to complicate a simple command;

’ go forth and baptize all nations, in the name of the father, the son and the
holy spirit.’

I didn’t realize the salvation of the souls of children was held in the hands of a church that determines whether or not a babies parents are worthy of having a baptized child.

Here I thought the promises of christ were a free gift…
“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you.” --Matthew 28:19-20.

Baptize. Teach.
 
As far as the rest of your points, you’ve proven once again that secret hidden sins are Ok, but open public sins are worth punishing children for.
Do you realize how absurd that is? So if this school wants to be consistent in regards to public and secret/hidden sins then it would amount to a witch hunt of every parent and constant monitoring to enforce this doctrine. Now I know you don’t mean that but since this apparent sin is public, we should ignore it because of the possibility of private sins on the part of others?
 
I’m not “selling” anything, sir. I’m explaining the philosophy of Catholic education to you, , a philosophy which you (the "Enquirer) reject because you keep changing the subject, preferring to discuss sin in general and comprehensively, which is not the concern of Catholic schools, including those in Colorado and Massachusetts. I’ve explained several times, on this and several other threads, that there are many, many Catholic schools (my children attended one of them) which do in fact observe the overall role-modeling of the parents, taking that into account in the admission of those children, Those who are not “regulars” at Sunday Mass in that particular parish are not admitted (or are low down on the list for admission), because at those schools the whole life of the parish and the leadership of parents as Catholics (or the lack thereof) is obvious.

So it appears that the busy salesman is yourself, ever creating premises by which you try to force Catholics to define Catholic education on yours terms, not on Catholic terms.

Plenty of heterosexual parents who are not faithful to Sunday Mass are not getting their children accepted to that particular parish school. Just because it has not happened in 100% of parishes does not mean that the Church has no authority to refuse the enrollments of homosexual couples whose very lifestyle runs more contrary to the operation of Catholic schools at its root (family life) even then whether parents attend every weekly Mass.

Again, participation in the sacramental life of the parish is, however, a key aspect of admission to many Catholic schools. Avowed lesbian couples, unless they’re committing sacrilege, are by definition not participating in the regular sacramental life of the parish, because by their state they cannot.

You’re out of arguments.
As evidenced by the different approaches taken between Boston and Denver we see a certain degree of hetero-geneity in pastoral practice in this situation. You presume to present what is an authentically “Catholic” approach though you are not the competent authority on the matter- Bishop Chaput is for his diocese and Cardinal Sean is for his Archdiocese.

Not all bishops are Chaputs, Burkes, and Bruskewitzes, despite what some on CAF might want.

The Cardinal has chosen to not press this issue and I agree with his approach.
 
As evidenced by the different approaches taken between Boston and Denver we see a certain degree of hetero-geneity in pastoral practice in this situation. You presume to present what is an authentically “Catholic” approach though you are not the competent authority on the matter- Bishop Chaput is for his diocese and Cardinal Sean is for his Archdiocese.

Not all bishops are Chaputs, Burkes, and Bruskewitzes, despite what some on CAF might want.

The Cardinal has chosen to not press this issue and I agree with his approach.
A voice of reason. 🙂
 
“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you.” --Matthew 28:19-20.

Baptize. Teach.
Where does it say; ’ Withhold baptism from children whose parents you deem to be poor teachers’ ?
 
Where does it say; ’ Withhold baptism from children whose parents you deem to be poor teachers’ ?
It’s not a matter of poor teaching, but of contradictory teaching.

Fulton Sheen once said, eventually you will either live what you teach, or you will teach by the way you live. e.g.: If a child’s parents are merely shacking up, what can the child learn from a Catholic education about marriage? If a child’s parents watch porn at home, what can the child learn about chastity?

It’s not about who’s worthy to teach. It’s about teaching contradictory messages, and saying, “it’s ok; we’ll teach the kids about both porn and chastity, about marriage and cohabitation, about pride and humility. We’ll serve them both good food and poison. It doesn’t really matter.”

But it does matter. Contradictory moral messages harm children.
 
It’s not a matter of poor teaching, but of contradictory teaching.

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Well then, where did your Jesus say ’ withhold baptism from the children whose parents you deem to teach contradictory lessons’ ?

Your God has made baptism an important / nearly essential part of his plan of salvation…strange that your Church would withhold it from a baby, based upon their opinion of the childs parents.
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You presume to present what is an authentically “Catholic” approach though you are not the competent authority on the matter-

Not all bishops are Chaputs, Burkes, and Bruskewitzes, despite what some on CAF might want.

The Cardinal has chosen to not press this issue and I agree with his approach.
You could not be more wrong. Unlike many on CAF, I do not “presume” (your word) to substitute for particular bishops. I have never pretended to do that; nor will you find that in my postings, and it’s unfortunate that you are twisting them to equal that. I was defending Catholic teaching regarding role-modeling in Catholic schools against a clear misinterpretation of that by someone who is not arguing from a Catholic educational perspective. His arguments are not founded on the philosophy of Catholic education. Rather, those arguments reveal a failure to understand why certain schools, dioceses, parishes, make the decisions that they make – without violence to either morality or charity.

I don’t particularly follow individual bishops’ policies, most of them, until they become prominent because of news stories (favorable or not), or if for any reason they happen to be more in the media spotlight, which could be neutral. So do not classify me with die-hards on CAF who have “fave” bishops and endlessly talk about which clergy are faithful, which are not, which of them should be condemned or supplanted, which of them is radical or losing their mind. I have both criticized and praised individual statements (or sometimes actions) of individual bishops, which is the right of anyone on CAF to do so. I tend to be fairly familiar with the two bishops in my region, much less familiar with those in other regions. So apparently you dislike Burke, Chaput, and some other guy. I don’t know much about them, actually. Do not categorize me as some group or party. Try that with another poster. It won’t work with me.

I do know what is authentically the reason why Catholic schools in general make certain decisions regarding the role-modeling of parents, and how central that role-modeling is to instruction and enrollment. I will post that without apology and do not need your permission, or some bishop in Massachusetts’ permission, to do that. He may decide – as someone else has said – not to implement that traditional policy, for any number of reasons (call them pastoral, call them political, call them practical or realistic), but the fact is the policy, when implemented, does have an authentic theology behind it in its support. It’s not hypocritical; it’s not false; it’s not an excuse for discrimination. It’s centered in Catholic theology. I do not presume to know the motivation for the Bishop is the Boston archdiocese (or more correctly, his lay representative – at least she was the one who announced it) for making that choice.

So while the thread subject is indeed the Boston situation, the argument branched out, particularly from one poster, to challenge the very premises and foundation of enrollment decisions in Catholic schools. That’s what you saw me arguing about – had you taken the time to understand that, but which you chose not to.
 
The Catholic Church doesn’t teach morals, they teach rules and lists of sins that will condemn people to hell.
If any parents believes this, they would have little reason to send their children to Catholic schools.
 
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Ahimsa:
this is disturbing and disastrous for the Church. it undermines the authority of the Church alltogether.
so, one CC says no and the other says yes. who gave this woman such authority to go against the teachings of the Church? this is going to cause division in the Church. i think it is time for the parents to take a stand and take their out of this school. we are coming to an age where we no longer have a place of refuge from the sins of the world. for sin is also abinding within the walls of the Church.
 
I’ve got to admit, you’ve sure managed to complicate a simple command;

’ go forth and baptize all nations, in the name of the father, the son and the
holy spirit.’

I didn’t realize the salvation of the souls of children was held in the hands of a church that determines whether or not a babies parents are worthy of having a baptized child.

Here I thought the promises of christ were a free gift…
yes, Jesus did say that. but you forgot to read the rest of the Book. " your sins are forgiving, go and sin no more." one cannot be baptized and continue to live in sin. one must repent to be baptized. maybe you dont understand the concept of sin.

it is a great sin to demand that the Church accept your life style. it is a great sin to think that you are entitle to do what you want even in the Church. that is not so. the Church is different from the world. but the devil doesnt want you to think that.
 
one cannot be baptized and continue to live in sin. one must repent to be baptized.

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Uhm, are you a Catholic?

I ask, because last time I checked, the Catholic Church happily baptizes babies.

When’s the last time that you’ve seen a baby repent of their sins?
 
Uhm, are you a Catholic?

I ask, because last time I checked, the Catholic Church happily baptizes babies.

When’s the last time that you’ve seen a baby repent of their sins?
gays and lesbians cannot have children. therefore, we dont have to worry about this part. do we?

obviously, you are not a Catholic, so why are you arguing about the issues of the Church?
 
gays and lesbians cannot have children. therefore, we dont have to worry about this part. do we?

obviously, you are not a Catholic, so why are you arguing about the issues of the Church?
You said ’ one must repent in order to be baptized’ and I asked you a pretty clear question, which you pretty much ignored and attempted to re-direct my attention.

Seriously, are you a Catholic as you apparently have an understanding with regards to baptism that is not shared by the Catholic Church.

How does a baby repent so that they may be baptized?

If a same sex couple has a child, please explain how it is that they, according to you, do not have a child? Who then has the child and if the same sex partners aren’t raising the child, I’m curious, who is raising that child? You’ve puzzled me.

Are the children of same sex couples denied a baptism by the Catholic Church?
 
Baptism may be delayed, not refused.

At the start of the Baptismal Rite for a child, the priest addresses the parents as follows:

Celebrant: You have asked to have your child baptized. In doing so you are accepting the responsibility of training him (her) in the practice of the faith. It will be your duty to bring him (her) up to keep God’s commandments as Christ taught us, by loving God and our neighbor. Do you clearly understand what you are undertaking?
Parents: We do.It is the responsibility of the pastor of a parish to ensure that parents of children to be baptized intend to raise the child in the Faith. In my parish, there is a short baptismal class for parents. Presumably, parents would not make a false statement during a liturgical rite. (A non-Catholic parent, for example, need not make the response above, as long as at least one parent can truthfully promise to raise the child in the faith.

Baptism is the beginning of a Christian life, not the ending of it.

To present a child for baptism while intending to undermine his faith would be gravely wrong.
 
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