Boy age 12 becomes youngest transsexual

[Jennifer123]

telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/28/wkim28.xml

 

[Della]

I have to wonder why the endocrinologist didn’t try hormone treatments to help this poor boy accept who he really is as a male. And I can’t think his preference for being female took place in an vacuum. What influences did his parents have on him or what did they expose him to as a young child? I would think the very last thing any parent would want for their child is a sex change. I think it’s terribly sad.

 

[deb1]

I have to admit the whole transexual thing confuses me.

Humans vary in the level of stereotypical behavior that is socially expected for each gender. Maturing means learning to balance who you are with who society thinks you should be.

Why not simply accept that you are unique and that your personality and traits fit you, instead of going through a radical sugery.

ALso, everytime I see a transexual on tv talk shows or News reports the males who have become females always display a sort of exagerated caricture of how women are supposed to act, not how we actually are.

Any way, 12 is too young to make such a decision. At such an age, people are only begining to discover who they are. To do something so drastic at such a young age seems foolish.

 

[Mirdath]

ALso, everytime I see a transexual on tv talk shows or News reports the males who have become females always display a sort of exagerated caricture of how women are supposed to act, not how we actually are.

The transsexuals one usually sees on talk shows are not representative of the whole group. There are a lot more (both male-to-female and female-to-male) whom you don’t even notice anything ‘off’ with

 

[pathia]

I have to wonder why the endocrinologist didn’t try hormone treatments to help this poor boy accept who he really is as a male. And I can’t think his preference for being female took place in an vacuum. What influences did his parents have on him or what did they expose him to as a young child? I would think the very last thing any parent would want for their child is a sex change. I think it’s terribly sad.

There have been attempts to treat gay men and male-to-female transsexuals with Testosterone to ‘fix’ their feelings. It either made them more homosexually promiscuous (for the gay men), or more depressed (for the transsexuals) or did nothing at all. Hormone therapy to treat GID and SSA has never had a study show anything positive about it that I’m aware of.

Myself, I’m intersexed (old outdated term is hermaphrodite), and they first treated me with testosterone at sixteen, as I was initially raised as male.

What followed were some of the worst months of my life. I broke out in rashes, developed cysts, blisters and acne all over my body about three weeks later, and around the same time I started to cut myself daily and within two months was unconscious in the bathroom from overdosing on sleeping pills.

So…needless to say, take my opinion as somewhat biased, but I can say ‘I’ve been there’.

 

[chicago]

Any way, 12 is too young to make such a decision. At such an age, people are only begining to discover who they are. To do something so drastic at such a young age seems foolish.

I’m certainly not going to argue for such a transition to begin at an early age as this (of course I wouldn’t necessarily argure for such at any age), but… it is notable that many if not most people who desire to go this route relate experiences of “feeling like they were a girl” from a very early age. So, in some sense, I can understand the reasoning here if the child has genuinely struggled with this since s/he was a little, um… and how this could be seen as saving him from a much more protracted trial over many more years. Now, still the ultimate question to be asked is, “Will this ‘solve’ the problem?”

 

[Caesar]

How could this boy be raised in such a manner as to think he is a female.

And the doctors!

Mein Gott, this world is getting sick…

 

[pathia]

How could this boy be raised in such a manner as to think he is a female.

And the doctors!

Mein Gott, this world is getting sick…

It happens, my parents raised me up just fine, it was me that was off. My brothers turned out perfectly normal, I was the only odd one and they used the same ‘practices’ for all of us.

They tried to get me interested in sports.

They made me play baseball, basketball, soccer, all sorts of things. For all the outdoor ones, I’d just wander off the field and pick flowers instead of paying attention to the game. For basketball, I’d just cry, or walk off the court because I didn’t want to physically confront another person in an aggressive manner.

My dad tried gentle roughhousing, playful wrestling and such (The stuff this PC culture would freak out at I’m sure, but it’s probably okay here). I’d just curl up in a ball and refuse to do anything back.

I acted this way even as in infant, I preferred ‘girl’ toys and colors from before I could even speak, and if there wasn’t anything to play with I’d use my imagination. I refused to play with GI-Joes, toy construction equipment and such, I would play house and roleplay in general. It wasn’t anything they ‘taught’ me to do, it started before I even had memory and recollection. It’s just the way I am.

 

[David_Paul]

Paul McHugh, Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University, writes in First Things:

. . .I have witnessed a great deal of damage from sex-reassignment. The children transformed from their male constitution into female roles suffered prolonged distress and misery as they sensed their natural attitudes . . .We have wasted scientific and technical resources and damaged our professional credibility by collaborating with madness rather than trying to study, cure, and ultimately prevent it.

Full text: Surgical Sex by Paul McHugh. First Things. November 2004.

 

[deb1]

I’m certainly not going to argue for such a transition to begin at an early age as this (of course I wouldn’t necessarily argure for such at any age), but… it is notable that many if not most people who desire to go this route relate experiences of “feeling like they were a girl” from a very early age. So, in some sense, I can understand the reasoning here if the child has genuinely struggled with this since s/he was a little, um… and how this could be seen as saving him from a much more protracted trial over many more years. Now, still the ultimate question to be asked is, “Will this ‘solve’ the problem?”

I think that my inability to understand this problem stems from the fact that I don’t feel like a ‘girl’ nor do I feel like a 'boy. I feel like me. If you stuck whatever makes me be who I am in a man’s body, I think that I would still be happy.

It seems like a better solution would be to assist the young man in coming to terms with who he is as an individual.

 

[deb1]

It happens, my parents raised me up just fine, it was me that was off. My brothers turned out perfectly normal, I was the only odd one and they used the same ‘practices’ for all of us.

They tried to get me interested in sports.

They made me play baseball, basketball, soccer, all sorts of things. For all the outdoor ones, I’d just wander off the field and pick flowers instead of paying attention to the game. For basketball, I’d just cry, or walk off the court because I didn’t want to physically confront another person in an aggressive manner.

My dad tried gentle roughhousing, playful wrestling and such (The stuff this PC culture would freak out at I’m sure, but it’s probably okay here). I’d just curl up in a ball and refuse to do anything back.

I acted this way even as in infant, I preferred ‘girl’ toys and colors from before I could even speak, and if there wasn’t anything to play with I’d use my imagination. I refused to play with GI-Joes, toy construction equipment and such, I would play house and roleplay in general. It wasn’t anything they ‘taught’ me to do, it started before I even had memory and recollection. It’s just the way I am.

But your behavior wasn’t ‘girl’ behavior it was simply you being you.

I have a sister that has always been into sports and athletics. She is a little masculine. Her hubby is somewhat feminine. Yet they are happy just being them.

My daughters have a wide range of male and female activities that they enjoy. My youngest daughter, especially has traits that can be associated with both genders. She roughhouses, plays with trucks, loves the creepy-crawlies and seems to like playing with boys over girls. She also LOVES jewelry. She wears her little plastic jewelry everyday. Occasionally she even likes to look pretty in dresses and bows.

My point is there is no normal behavior. You are just you and there is nothing more to it.

 

[Holly3278]

This is incredibly sickening and sad. Where has medicine taken us?

 

[Dale_M]

I feel like me. If you stuck whatever makes me be who I am in a man’s body, I think that I would still be happy.

It seems like a better solution would be to assist the young man in coming to terms with who he is as an individual.

And that is the Church’s position, too. cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=19829

I think some transsexuals would complain that this policy denies them sex (since they are not oriented to, and even repulsed by, their genitalia). But we expect divorced persons and persons with same sex attraction to forgo sex as well.

 

[Tom317]

But your behavior wasn’t ‘girl’ behavior it was simply you being you.

I have a sister that has always been into sports and athletics. She is a little masculine. Her hubby is somewhat feminine. Yet they are happy just being them.

My daughters have a wide range of male and female activities that they enjoy. My youngest daughter, especially has traits that can be associated with both genders. She roughhouses, plays with trucks, loves the creepy-crawlies and seems to like playing with boys over girls. She also LOVES jewelry. She wears her little plastic jewelry everyday. Occasionally she even likes to look pretty in dresses and bows.

My point is there is no normal behavior. You are just you and there is nothing more to it.

I think it is a stretch to say there is no normal behavior.

 

[deb1]

I think it is a stretch to say there is no normal behavior.

Yeah, I guess that I worded that wrong. But I think that you get the gist of what I mean.

Although I think that there is an average set of behaviors that typical to each gender that doesn’t mean that everyone will have all or even any of those traits.

A male could react exactly like a female in every regard but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a male. Just that he isn’t the average guy.

 

[tasso]

And that is the Church’s position, too. cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=19829

I think some transsexuals would complain that this policy denies them sex (since they are not oriented to, and even repulsed by, their genitalia). But we expect divorced persons and persons with same sex attraction to forgo sex as well.

True, this is the church’s position but not necessarily in line with scripture. Scripture even allows a man to have several women (Moses, Jakob, David, Salomon, etc). The scripture by Paul, that who desires the office of an elder should have “one” wife is often construed as meaning “only one” or “not more than one”, but really means, when one compares the word in other textual uses, “at least one” wife, Pauls point being, that a man should first demonstrate, he can keep order in his own family before being allowed in the ministry.

Jesus teaches of course, that from the beginning a marriage is to be between one man and one woman (Adam and Eve) but without calling the relationships enjoyed by the Patriarchs as being sinful. Therefore, although I agree, that a divorce is sinnful and against the Will of God, remarriage on the other hand cannot be a sinful act, at least not for the man, as he has the scriptural right to marry another woman. Not an ideal, but in my opinion scriptural correct.

Coming back to the subject, the church’s position will have little affect on the thousands of people who have inclinations towards the “wrong” sex. To expect people in such situations to simply forego sex is like asking a thirsthy man not to drink and a hungry person not to steal food but rather to starve to death.

A person who wants a transexual change simply wants to bring something in order he/she perceives as being out of order. The church doesn’t offer them any real answers and so they go off on their own tangent. Detrimental often to their own wellbeing as many who underwent surgical changes suffer from severe depression afterwards. On the one hand they seem to be more in tune with who they are, but yet it throws up a lot of issues they are often not well prepared for to handle.

I am absolutely against transexual surgery as I believe medical resources should be used for more urgent cases as too many people still die from lack of surgons. I am also against it because I don’t believe it is the answer to the problem but rather gives a false impression that complex problems like this can be solved surgically. But unfortunately, unless we can provide some real answers to people who suffer from such inclinations, our stand against it won’t do anything good. To simply ask people to accept who they are and to abstain from having sexual relationships because they are “wrong in God’s eyes” is just not good enough.

Even most Catholics don’t follow the church’s teaching concerning sex, because if they would, there wouldn’t be so many on the pill. And previous teachings where one should only have sex when one wants to pro-create have also proven not-workable, simply because they go against our nature. The sexual drive in most of us is often too strong that we would even risk going to hell for it.

So if even “good” catholics can’t abstain from having sex, how can we demand this from those whose inclinations are for the “wrong” sex? At least those who seek medical surgery try to put in order what they perceive as being wrong by trying to change into the opposite sex of those they sexually desire. I disagree with this, as I said before, but I can see some kind of logic in it. There are some people who are born with both sexes and they often receive an operation where a conscious decision has to be made, which sex they should be. This decisions is sometimes done at a very early stage, often by the parents. What if they got it wrong? What if by chance nature get’s it wrong which body to assign for the soul to be born?

Disagreeing with transexual surgery and same gender sex is one thing, but giving answers is another and until the church can come up with some serious answers instead of simply demanding abstinence, there is no way we can condemn those people for what they do.

 

[Dale_M]

until the church can come up with some serious answers instead of simply demanding abstinence, there is no way we can condemn those people for what they do.

No, we shouldn’t condemn people for what they do, rather compassionately guide them back to Christ. The Church’s call for abstinence is not popular in our post-Freudian world, but that doesn’t make it wrong.

We should uphold the standards of the Church, and if people fail to always meet it (which seems inevitable in our fallen state) let them seek forgiveness. But let us always strive to be better than we are by nature.

 

[deb1]

True, this is the church’s position but not necessarily in line with scripture. Scripture even allows a man to have several women (Moses, Jakob, David, Salomon, etc). The scripture by Paul, that who desires the office of an elder should have “one” wife is often construed as meaning “only one” or “not more than one”, but really means, when one compares the word in other textual uses, “at least one” wife, Pauls point being, that a man should first demonstrate, he can keep order in his own family before being allowed in the ministry.

Jesus teaches of course, that from the beginning a marriage is to be between one man and one woman (Adam and Eve) but without calling the relationships enjoyed by the Patriarchs as being sinful. Therefore, although I agree, that a divorce is sinnful and against the Will of God, remarriage on the other hand cannot be a sinful act, at least not for the man, as he has the scriptural right to marry another woman. Not an ideal, but in my opinion scriptural correct.

Coming back to the subject, the church’s position will have little affect on the thousands of people who have inclinations towards the “wrong” sex. To expect people in such situations to simply forego sex is like asking a thirsthy man not to drink and a hungry person not to steal food but rather to starve to death.

A person who wants a transexual change simply wants to bring something in order he/she perceives as being out of order. The church doesn’t offer them any real answers and so they go off on their own tangent. Detrimental often to their own wellbeing as many who underwent surgical changes suffer from severe depression afterwards. On the one hand they seem to be more in tune with who they are, but yet it throws up a lot of issues they are often not well prepared for to handle.

I am absolutely against transexual surgery as I believe medical resources should be used for more urgent cases as too many people still die from lack of surgons. I am also against it because I don’t believe it is the answer to the problem but rather gives a false impression that complex problems like this can be solved surgically. But unfortunately, unless we can provide some real answers to people who suffer from such inclinations, our stand against it won’t do anything good. To simply ask people to accept who they are and to abstain from having sexual relationships because they are “wrong in God’s eyes” is just not good enough.

Even most Catholics don’t follow the church’s teaching concerning sex, because if they would, there wouldn’t be so many on the pill. And previous teachings where one should only have sex when one wants to pro-create have also proven not-workable, simply because they go against our nature. The sexual drive in most of us is often too strong that we would even risk going to hell for it.

So if even “good” catholics can’t abstain from having sex, how can we demand this from those whose inclinations are for the “wrong” sex? At least those who seek medical surgery try to put in order what they perceive as being wrong by trying to change into the opposite sex of those they sexually desire. I disagree with this, as I said before, but I can see some kind of logic in it. There are some people who are born with both sexes and they often receive an operation where a conscious decision has to be made, which sex they should be. This decisions is sometimes done at a very early stage, often by the parents. What if they got it wrong? What if by chance nature get’s it wrong which body to assign for the soul to be born?

Disagreeing with transexual surgery and same gender sex is one thing, but giving answers is another and until the church can come up with some serious answers instead of simply demanding abstinence, there is no way we can condemn those people for what they do.

I don’t see anywhere in this post where you have come up with any answers, although you have managed to criticize the Church for its answers.

Good Catholics, by the way, do abstain from sex, but even if every Catholic used birth control that wouldn’t make artificial contraceptives any less wrong.

We all have our crosses to bear. Some more painful then others. Would living without sex be painful? Yes. But I can’t say that it is a harder cross to bear then the problems that others suffer.

 

[Tom317]

True, this is the church’s position but not necessarily in line with scripture. Scripture even allows a man to have several women (Moses, Jakob, David, Salomon, etc). The scripture by Paul, that who desires the office of an elder should have “one” wife is often construed as meaning “only one” or “not more than one”, but really means, when one compares the word in other textual uses, “at least one” wife, Pauls point being, that a man should first demonstrate, he can keep order in his own family before being allowed in the ministry.

Jesus teaches of course, that from the beginning a marriage is to be between one man and one woman (Adam and Eve) but without calling the relationships enjoyed by the Patriarchs as being sinful. Therefore, although I agree, that a divorce is sinnful and against the Will of God, remarriage on the other hand cannot be a sinful act, at least not for the man, as he has the scriptural right to marry another woman. Not an ideal, but in my opinion scriptural correct.

Coming back to the subject, the church’s position will have little affect on the thousands of people who have inclinations towards the “wrong” sex. To expect people in such situations to simply forego sex is like asking a thirsthy man not to drink and a hungry person not to steal food but rather to starve to death.

A person who wants a transexual change simply wants to bring something in order he/she perceives as being out of order. The church doesn’t offer them any real answers and so they go off on their own tangent. Detrimental often to their own wellbeing as many who underwent surgical changes suffer from severe depression afterwards. On the one hand they seem to be more in tune with who they are, but yet it throws up a lot of issues they are often not well prepared for to handle.

I am absolutely against transexual surgery as I believe medical resources should be used for more urgent cases as too many people still die from lack of surgons. I am also against it because I don’t believe it is the answer to the problem but rather gives a false impression that complex problems like this can be solved surgically. But unfortunately, unless we can provide some real answers to people who suffer from such inclinations, our stand against it won’t do anything good. To simply ask people to accept who they are and to abstain from having sexual relationships because they are “wrong in God’s eyes” is just not good enough.

Even most Catholics don’t follow the church’s teaching concerning sex, because if they would, there wouldn’t be so many on the pill. And previous teachings where one should only have sex when one wants to pro-create have also proven not-workable, simply because they go against our nature. The sexual drive in most of us is often too strong that we would even risk going to hell for it.

So if even “good” catholics can’t abstain from having sex, how can we demand this from those whose inclinations are for the “wrong” sex? At least those who seek medical surgery try to put in order what they perceive as being wrong by trying to change into the opposite sex of those they sexually desire. I disagree with this, as I said before, but I can see some kind of logic in it. There are some people who are born with both sexes and they often receive an operation where a conscious decision has to be made, which sex they should be. This decisions is sometimes done at a very early stage, often by the parents. What if they got it wrong? What if by chance nature get’s it wrong which body to assign for the soul to be born?

Disagreeing with transexual surgery and same gender sex is one thing, but giving answers is another and until the church can come up with some serious answers instead of simply demanding abstinence, there is no way we can condemn those people for what they do.

How does the mandate to pick up one’s cross and follow Christ factor into your theories?

 

[TOP]

There have been attempts to treat gay men and male-to-female transsexuals with Testosterone to ‘fix’ their feelings. It either made them more homosexually promiscuous (for the gay men), or more depressed (for the transsexuals) or did nothing at all. Hormone therapy to treat GID and SSA has never had a study show anything positive about it that I’m aware of.

Myself, I’m intersexed (old outdated term is hermaphrodite), and they first treated me with testosterone at sixteen, as I was initially raised as male.

What followed were some of the worst months of my life. I broke out in rashes, developed cysts, blisters and acne all over my body about three weeks later, and around the same time I started to cut myself daily and within two months was unconscious in the bathroom from overdosing on sleeping pills.

So…needless to say, take my opinion as somewhat biased, but I can say ‘I’ve been there’.

I am familar with guys who have had lost both testicules from cancer and require testoserone replacement gells and the like. Most don’t have the problems you speak of. Tim