Boy age 12 becomes youngest transsexual

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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: !!!

Maybe it’s because in my country at ANY age this is just super weird, I’m extremely shocked, but the fact that the kid is only 12 raises GREAT concern as to what’s going on in developed countries…:confused:

I mean, why do his parents let this happen???
He’s still a kid and could be denied this option FOR NOW… I’m not saying forever… But he’s just too young!!!

Honestly, parents nowadays need to search God’s guidance even more… Though I know that parents that are good catholics could have in some time of their lives a son or daughter that could turn out to be gay… I wouldn’t give up so soon! He’s only TWELVE… Geez, is that considered an adult in developed countries???:confused:
That’s an important desition that should be taken by an ADULT, not from someone who just quit playing legos! (or Barbies, whatever)
I mean, has someone explained to him that once his umm, u know, it’s chopped off, that there’ll be no way to re-attach it???
Well, anyway, I’m just shocked, this world is sick.:mad:
 
But your behavior wasn’t ‘girl’ behavior it was simply you being you.

I have a sister that has always been into sports and athletics. She is a little masculine. Her hubby is somewhat feminine. Yet they are happy just being them.

My daughters have a wide range of male and female activities that they enjoy. My youngest daughter, especially has traits that can be associated with both genders. She roughhouses, plays with trucks, loves the creepy-crawlies and seems to like playing with boys over girls. She also LOVES jewelry. She wears her little plastic jewelry everyday. Occasionally she even likes to look pretty in dresses and bows.

My point is there is no normal behavior. You are just you and there is nothing more to it.
I was like that too, as a child, I prefered a 10000 times wearing Jeans and sneakers (and still do) than a dress, my friends were mostly males (and still are), and I LOVED playing with GI Joes, transformers, trucks, micro-machines, soldiers, I used to love playing football soccer, I’d RARELY play with barbies or play house…
The proof is that the toys that are kept here somewhere are mainly cars, airplains and soldiers, I had very few barbies and that’s why there’s none in this house.
For me it was extremely boring playing with a doll and just changing her clothes and combing her hair:rolleyes:
BUT I ALWAYS liked boys. Period, never doubted it, and it was clear to me, though I must accept that some people worried about me at 1st, hehe.
I still like watching sports, and playing videogames instead of trying to cook or learn home improvement and stuff like that:p , my personality hasn’t changed, but I think the way one plays during childhood doesn’t make you necessarily gay.

My best friend is gay. I accept him and I’ve known him since we were 5… He used to be the one playing with Barbies, dressing up as a girl sometimes (well, that was just goofyness), he learned to cook, decoration, and he’s the perfect housewife! LOL, 'til this day I haven’t learn how to cook and that guy almost has a master in it chuckles
BUT also, he liked playing trucks with me and other “boyish” stuff…

I’m not saying that it is bad to be gay, I know is a cross in someone’s back, but I’m just saying that the kid is only twelve, so one can’t be sure if he should be doing something so radical! He’s not just dressing up as a girl, he’s taking female hormones and get a surgery done! That’s serious! And his parents don’t think is radical at all!
If my mom had that type of thinking, by the age I am right now (24), my name wouldn’t be Melissa… But Brian.:rolleyes:
 
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: !!!

Maybe it’s because in my country at ANY age this is just super weird, I’m extremely shocked, but the fact that the kid is only 12 raises GREAT concern as to what’s going on in developed countries…:confused:

I mean, why do his parents let this happen???
He’s still a kid and could be denied this option FOR NOW… I’m not saying forever… But he’s just too young!!!

Honestly, parents nowadays need to search God’s guidance even more… Though I know that parents that are good catholics could have in some time of their lives a son or daughter that could turn out to be gay… I wouldn’t give up so soon! He’s only TWELVE… Geez, is that considered an adult in developed countries???:confused:
That’s an important desition that should be taken by an ADULT, not from someone who just quit playing legos! (or Barbies, whatever)
I mean, has someone explained to him that once his umm, u know, it’s chopped off, that there’ll be no way to re-attach it???
Well, anyway, I’m just shocked, this world is sick.:mad:
Actually, the events in this article took place several years ago from what I’ve been able to tell. The child is now 15. They will not cut anything off until age 18. The treatment of individuals like this bar any ‘permanent’ changes until they are at least 18, and pretty much all shrinks in every country follow at least that rule.
 
I see what you are saying, but I strongly object to the idea that telling someone to sin no more is the equivalent of putting them into bondage.
Sin IS bondage. How is telling someone that it isn’t a true compassionate act? How can I not in good conscience tell someone NOT to abstain, knowing the spritual, emotional, and physical dangers that could bring?
It is not the words that make the difference, but the power behind the words. Words without God’s power bring people into bondage, because they are like the law which nobody can keep. If you give somebody the law, it will only be broken and thus the person comes under bondage. Words however, that carry the power of God, will deliver a person. When Jesus says “Sin no more” it is more than just giving the person a law of not sinning. He speaks into the persons live that causes the person to become able to stop sinning.

Paul does say this clearly when he speaks about his preaching not in words of wisdom alone but God’s power. And the discibles of Jesus realised this, too, when they tried to cast out a demon and couldn’t. They said the correct words and possibly did all the correct procedures, but the demon wouldn’t obey. Jesus response to them was, that they should fast and pray (possibly to deal with their own unbelief).

We can say as much as we want but if our words (and actions) don’t carry the power of God to actually help that person, we are just using the name of Jesus in vain. We are making a big noise and bring the poor person we are trying to help in even greater conflict. Not only has he still the problem he is trying to solve, but also the condemntation that if he doesn’t abstain he will go to hell.
 
It is not the words that make the difference, but the power behind the words. Words without God’s power bring people into bondage, because they are like the law which nobody can keep. If you give somebody the law, it will only be broken and thus the person comes under bondage. Words however, that carry the power of God, will deliver a person. When Jesus says “Sin no more” it is more than just giving the person a law of not sinning. He speaks into the persons live that causes the person to become able to stop sinning.

Paul does say this clearly when he speaks about his preaching not in words of wisdom alone but God’s power. And the discibles of Jesus realised this, too, when they tried to cast out a demon and couldn’t. They said the correct words and possibly did all the correct procedures, but the demon wouldn’t obey. Jesus response to them was, that they should fast and pray (possibly to deal with their own unbelief).

We can say as much as we want but if our words (and actions) don’t carry the power of God to actually help that person, we are just using the name of Jesus in vain. We are making a big noise and bring the poor person we are trying to help in even greater conflict. Not only has he still the problem he is trying to solve, but also the condemntation that if he doesn’t abstain he will go to hell.
I’ve read your post and I actually think that what you are saying is far from being loving. It is cruelty. The sad part is you don’t seem to understand how very cruel your attitude is.😦

Alcoholism runs in my family, as does addictions of every sort. Having such a genetic propensity to become addicted can be painful. I have to always second guess everything I do, from the obvious, such as having an occasional beer to even being on this forum to much.

Your attitude seems to be that if you can’t ‘heal’ the person with the word of God then that you should just allow the individual suffering the affliction to continue in their misery or to continue sinning. Thank God that people around me LOVED me enough to be harsh with me and explain that I had the power to control my own actions.

This is not putting people under bondage, it is actually enpowering them to take control of their own lifes.
 
I see what you are saying, but I strongly object to the idea that telling someone to sin no more is the equivalent of putting them into bondage.
Sin IS bondage. How is telling someone that it isn’t a true compassionate act? How can I not in good conscience tell someone NOT to abstain, knowing the spritual, emotional, and physical dangers that could bring?
Tasso did not put his/her religion under his public profile, but I don’t think that he/her is Catholic in their understanding of suffering and sin.

Tasso seems to believe that if your sins aren’t healed then they should simply be accepted. To do otherwise, Tasso seems to be impling, would be unloving.
 
Tasso did not put his/her religion under his public profile, but I don’t think that he/her is Catholic in their understanding of suffering and sin.

Tasso seems to believe that if your sins aren’t healed then they should simply be accepted. To do otherwise, Tasso seems to be impling, would be unloving.
Thanks - I look forward to seeing Tasso’s response that I can understand more about what he/she is trying to say.
 
I’ve read your post and I actually think that what you are saying is far from being loving. It is cruelty. The sad part is you don’t seem to understand how very cruel your attitude is.😦

Alcoholism runs in my family, as does addictions of every sort. Having such a genetic propensity to become addicted can be painful. I have to always second guess everything I do, from the obvious, such as having an occasional beer to even being on this forum to much.

Your attitude seems to be that if you can’t ‘heal’ the person with the word of God then that you should just allow the individual suffering the affliction to continue in their misery or to continue sinning. Thank God that people around me LOVED me enough to be harsh with me and explain that I had the power to control my own actions.

This is not putting people under bondage, it is actually enpowering them to take control of their own lifes.
Actually I don’t think we disagree that much because you said the same thing only with different words. You used the word “empowering”, which is the same as what I mean by using words that carry God’s power. However we seem to differ on one vital point, that you don’t seem to differentiate between what I would call “good” advise and “godly” advise. Good advise is just us people seeing the splinter in our brother’s eye trying to remove it with our “good” intentions. Godly advise however is where i first have removed the beam out of my own eye and actually become empowered to see clearly enough how to remove that splinter. For the disciples for example, who couldn’t cast out the demon, it was to learn first to pray and fast and deal with their own unbelief. Every attempt to continue trying to cast out the demon would have ended in disaster, possible causing even greater harm and a huge spectacle.

My attitude is, that if you can’t heal that boy, you better start praying and fasting. In the end it is not us who will bring deliverance but God.

Over twenty years ago, I travelled through Spain and lived more or less on the street taking drugs and having no idea where I was going. It was by God’s grace, that I met Christians who understood the power of God and who could deliver me from my addictions. I stayed at that place for several months where I saw many people be set free from many addictions. Most people there were ex-prostitudes and ex-heroin addicts. Many of them tried lots of time before to become free but couldn’t. All the therapies they went through before didn’t help them but here they met Christians who knew how to pray and for the first time they experienced a complete freedom of addiction.

In my case I was even set free from smoking one day, and that happened with me not even recognising it was wrong and without asking for it. One day at one of the services I went forward to kneel at the altar to dedicate my life to God and was prayed for. After this I had no desire anymore to smoke, it completely went (and I used to be a heavy smoker till then)

Harsh words can be helpful, if they carry God’s power, but very destructive when they don’t. My point is simply this, that we need to know God and His power to be able to help people. Before we tell a person not to sin (or to abstain) we first need to be sure, that these words are instructive, carrying God’s power to bring about this grace in the person and not just good advise, possibly bringing condemnation.

When Jesus spoke the Words “Sin no more”, he could have said it to everybody in the house, because all were sinners, but he said it to that woman because her acts demonstrated, that she was ready to receive them. On the same evening he exposed another for his hypocrisy. So kindness to the one person, harshness to another and yet both times His words carried God’s grace to bring about change. To know what to say, when to say it and how to say it is what makes the difference.

God bless
 
It is uplifting to see concern about others on this board.

A beautiful statement on an an individual search for truth, or journey of faith and discernment is described beautifully, in an unrelated Encyclical, by Pope John Paul II, “Fiedes et Ratio”:

“Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves (cf. Ex 33:18; Ps 27:8-9; 63:2-3; Jn 14:8; 1 Jn 3:2).”

Does a scientific truth exist which does not contradict the truth in God which He showed to us through the life and teachings of Jesus Christ(***)?

Did God make us all in His image? Is there not a mystery to/in creation than man should not presume to understand, yet alone conquer or control? Doesn’t man now see imperfectly and know only in part (1Corinthians 13:12)?

If we do not seek to understand before being understood, does the Christian then lack Charity and be nothing? (1Corinthians 13:2).

Lack of charity toward man leads to collective violence on an unrecognized and unimaginable scale. Mass abortions of babies following prenatal detection of Intersex conditions results. Similar testing fro trans* conditions will follow.

Hate and ignorance lead to the dehumanizing of the human condition. Where is charity?

Charity is the grace that proves the Christian to be mature in his faith and practice; the “greatest” of the three abiding virtues (1Corinthians 13:13).

These Christians, like all children of God, are God’s creation for which all should be thankful. However, these gifts from God suffer when other Christians do not treat them charitably. Indeed, all Christians then suffer with them (1Corinthians 12:26).

These Christians, through their own faith and suffering bring about hope in God and, through endurance, salvation and their life narrative is a gift for which others should be thankful.

The human body and it’s spiritual soul, gendered, is one body, and at the same time a number of parts. The parts may be afflicted with a physical evil but these do not thereby condemn the body or the soul. “Those parts of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor.” (1Corinthians 12:23)

(*) (a) Learn about Intersex at dsdguidelines.org/

(*) (b) Dr. John Money promoted a theory that Man, not God, created a persons gender identity. This atheist’s theory was shattered long ago, see infocirc.org/rollston.htm for the story. Christians known this theory was not based on truth because “God created man in his own image . . . male and female he created them” (Gen 1:27). As stated by the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales (ironically in opposition to the Gender Recognition Bill in that Country): “There is no convincing evidence that a gender can really be changed or aquired, much less chosen.” But, sometimes the organ called the brain develops asymmetrically to the body.

(**) Learn about transsexualism at gires.org.uk/Text_Assets/ATypical_Gender_Development.pdf

(***) (a) “let us stop just saying we love each other; let us really show it by our actions” (1John3:18)

(***) (b) We cannot save ourselves but Jesus says, “For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible” (Matthew 24-26).

(***) (c) “For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this let him receive it” (Mt 19:12).

(****) (a) “In our study population, the overall rate of termination was 81%”
“Variation in the decision to terminate pregnancy in the setting of fetal aneuploidy.”, Prenat Diagn. 2006 Aug;26(8):667-71.

(****) (a) “In all cases with a fetal abnormality seen on ultrasound, pregnancy was terminated.”
“Parental decisions following the prenatal diagnosis of sex chromosome abnormalities.”, Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol. 2004 Sep 10;116(1):58-62.

(****) (a) “Forty-nine of 89 pregnancies with sex chromosome aneuploidy were terminated.”
“Factors influencing parental decision making in prenatal diagnosis of sex chromosome aneuploidy.”, Obstet Gynecol. 2004 Jul;104(1):94-101.

(****) (a) Watch a free video on the latest knowledge in biology of sex and gender, on the recent findings which have challenged previous beliefs about the roles of anatomy, environment, and genetics in the determination of gender, and the evolution of sexual determination at learner.org/resources/series187.html#program_descriptions goto session 11 Biology of Sex and Gender.
 
Things are like day and light for me, really. When I lived as a boy, or at least tried to, I was never good at it mind you. My grades were horrible, I had no friends, I participated in no social activities, I had very little energy. I hid in my room and moped around, attempted suicide twice, became an atheist and generally was a rotten person to everyone around me, including my parents.

Now I have a social life, I managed to graduate from college AND graduate school. My grades are now all above B average. I have a social life, my family relationships have been repaired, I am no longer suicidal, I have a career and am no longer a wage slave. I am working on finding religion again.

My path is certainly not typical, but if you did not know what it was that changed, wouldn’t most people think that what I did was a good thing?
You can tell a tree by it’s fruit. 🙂
 
It’s the opinion I’ve gotten from just about every clergy member I’ve spoke to, the others just didn’t want to give me an answer, because they didn’t know.

As far as I can tell, I can’t get married, or even have my baptismal records modified, because since I had my intersexism dealt with past puberty, they just stamp me ‘transsexual’ and shoo me away. I haven’t felt welcome in church in over a decade.
Hi pathia,

I am deeply sorry that the church hasn’t made you feel welcome.

I am trying to understand from your posts your history. Were you born with both genitalia, and your parents decided to make you male, but at puberty you knew you were female, so you had a sex change later in life and are now female?
I am sorry if I have misunderstood.

I would like to give you a big hug. God bless you.
 
Hi pathia,

I am deeply sorry that the church hasn’t made you feel welcome.

I am trying to understand from your posts your history. Were you born with both genitalia, and your parents decided to make you male, but at puberty you knew you were female, so you had a sex change later in life and are now female?
I am sorry if I have misunderstood.

I would like to give you a big hug. God bless you.
Almost no one is born with ‘both genitalia’. That is exceedingly rare, myself I was born with mostly male genitalia, but it was operated on twice as an infant to fix it.
 
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