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StJudeprayforme
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It means that you can disclose this to a scoutmaster or friend without fear of being kicked out of the organization. That is a good thing.
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buffalo
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You brought it up. Now back away?
Does the homosexual act wound the Sacred Heart or not?
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We are not talking about disinterested friendship here. We are talking about a social policy that encourages gay youth to embrace a gay identity and all that goes with it.
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buffalo
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Why? Will it harm the child if the adult also is secretly homosexual and then pursues this newly found target? Is this what we really want?
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Yes, that is what the gay propagandists always say.
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EvangelCatholic
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To love someone does not “wound” the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
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EvangelCatholic
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Does that mean that women should never be Scout masters because they may have a secret desire for young boys?
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edwest2
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Sorry Joe, but you are not thinking this through. Let’s see, I’m a gay boy and my only choices are the Church or the gay community. I have no other choices. I have only one place to go!Ed, you seem to be reading into my comments more than I actually said. I never said parents were not free to pull their kids out of scouting. Of course they are. That’s sort of obvious. But I can certainly encourage them to think it through before acting. I didn’t realize such advice would be controversial. It seems like common sense to me.
And I never said that the normalization of homosexuality isn’t growing year by year. It’s obvious that it is.
But I don’t think we should allow such inroads being made to put us constantly on the defensive. We need to recognize and affirm actions taken that are in conformity with Catholic teaching. If we fail to do so, then we risk encouraging an atmosphere where those with a homosexual orientation do not feel welcome in the Church. That leaves them with the “gay community” as the only place to go.
What’s stopping you from going to an Episcopal Church tonight? Are you Episcophobic? Should you lobby them to allow openly Catholic people to attend services there? Form a propaganda team that tells anyone who will listen that “they won’t allow us in”! That’s discrimination!
We were not on the defensive before Joe, or don’t you get that? Prior to 1973, I knew there were homosexual persons. I didn’t give it a second thought. I learned there were certain places homosexual persons went and I didn’t give it a second thought. I did not know the groundwork was being laid for this.
Joe, none of this happened overnight. You know that NOBODY checks your sexual preference before you walk into Church, young or old. Everyone is welcome.
Do you know Boy Scout Law?
usscouts.org/usscouts/advance/boyscout/bslaw.asp
And you appear to want to avoid or acknowledge the pressure being put on the country at the highest level regarding this:
“Activist groups, including Scouting for All, urge President Obama not to accept the honorary Presidency of the Boy Scouts of America until they stop discriminating.”
We are on the defensive because others are on the OFFENSIVE.
Peace,
Ed
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All I know is what the smart people tell me to believe. Apparently the policy change occurred because huge numbers of pre and post pubescent males were being unjustly expelled from the BSA. The change means only that some boys will say " I am gay" then that will be the end of it. Any other discussions or examples that promote the societal change in understanding homosexual behavior as normal should be seen as consistent with Church teaching that proscribes unjust discrimination.
We should not think too deeply about this issue as society has many influences that encourage this behavior and we have to accept that is the way it is. We do not want to be viewed as extreme like those nasty McCarthyites or homophobes.
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StJudeprayforme
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All I see is one of the most trusted organizations in the United States saying that it will not kick out high school kids who happen to be gay. It even issued a clarification, which I reproduced earlier, saying that scouts were expected not to partake in sexual conduct.
If the “gay identity” as it is often referred to around here, includes promiscuity (something I contest), the scouts sure aren’t promoting it. If they are promoting that people acknowledge that they have homosexual tendencies (I don’t think they are) then there is nothing wrong with this in itself.
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Yea, so hit or miss. I get it. Scientism is your god.
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rlg94086
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But he declares he’s gay? Now, I’m confused…
He is a boy, who has experienced a disordered desire. Nothing more. The pro-gay crowd, some Catholics included apparently, want to rush in and have him define himself by his desire.
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StJudeprayforme
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Scout leaders are not allowed to be alone with minors. There should never be an opportunity for sexual contact in the scouts. Policies to prevent this are in place and are strictly enforced. Also, let’s not confuse child abuse with homosexuality, please.
They could wish to reveal this for any number of reasons. Emotional support. Having someone they see as a role model know the struggle they are going through. Any sort of angsty teen reason. Regardless of the reason, the Church recognizes that this can be beneficial.
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Great no kissing in public. What about all the rest of the issues? Do these kids just suddenly exclaim I am gay and then they go back to boondoggle?
A nice neat package. I am sure it will work just as you say.
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I did not mention knowledge. I said scientism.
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Please do not ask these questions. Here is how it works. The boy says I am gay. That is it. Nothing more. See?
meltzerboy
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Could it be, Ed, you were not on the defensive because, as you say, you “learned there were certain places homosexual persons went”? However, when you then learned that homosexuals want to integrate themselves into the mainstream, perhaps a line was crossed in your mind? I’m just trying to understand your reasoning, and why it is that you don’t believe gay boys have as much of a right to be members of organizations such as the Boy Scouts as straight boys. I seriously doubt there is a gay agenda here, maybe in other arenas. What is so wrong with gay boys who want to be scouts because they enjoy the camaraderie and activities, and why do you assume there must be some kind of infiltration involved which is promoted by activist gay leaders? We’re not talking about infringement of religious values, as the strawperson you brought up with regard to Episcopalians and Catholics. Heck, I don’t think the present situation is even contrary to Catholic moral values, but barring gay boys, or ousting them, based only on (perceived) SSA might very well be.
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