Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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Yes it is. It is sexual activity outside of marriage that is sinful. A celibate homosexual is committing no more sin that a celibate, unmarried, heterosexual. Having homosexual tendencies is not in itself sinful.
That is not the issue either. One can abstain from sexual acts but promote “gay” ideology as good and normal. What about “gay” youths dating and talking about it? No sex but dating. Is that consistent with moral goodness?
 
That people are uninformed does not make the terms any better. It just shows the propaganda works.
Uninformed about what? Words, especially neologisms, are defined by how they are used not by the vast-conspiracy that created them as a form of propaganda.
No, that adults use children to further the agenda exists. 10 year olds are not “gay” unless they have someone affirming that. Joining the Scouts and claiming one is “gay” must have some adult in their life that is affirming this nonsense. The Scouts simply have bowed to the pressure.
We actually agree on this point. I don’t think this is really an issue for the vast majority of people. I don’t even think it is possible to have a sexual orientation before you hit puberty, and those who claim to have one are probably being used by their parents. Again, I think this is such a small minority of cases that it doesn’t really merit consideration.

That being said, the main point with this policy is not the boy of 10, it is the 16 and 17-year-olds who are not being used by anyone.
So the Scouts should go along for the ride?
Go along for the ride? I don’t think the Scouts will be using them to promote the “gay agenda”. What is the scoutmaster going to do? Tell the parents of a 16-year-old “Your son is a pawn of the secret gay agenda.”
Not being sexually active is not the only concern.
Yeah, it really is.
 
It is my understanding that a Catholic-based group could still require members to be Catholic, and, by extension, expel those who violate Catholic doctrine.
If BSA National Council upholds this privilege for Catholic scoutmasters to expel those who violate Catholic doctrine, especially those in “leadership positions” (not adults), then most of my objections to the new proposal will be satisfied … not to say that I give one inch on my concern about the inappropriateness for one to come out with gay pride. The symbolism of this new proposal is still not lost on me, but at least the net effect will largely be a Pyrrhic victory.
 
What we have here are Christians struggling with the mystery of God’s creation. And rigidly denying science and human understand; both of which are gifts from God.
 
Uninformed about what? Words, especially neologisms, are defined by how they are used not by the vast-conspiracy that created them as a form of propaganda.
Uh huh, so if a person uses the N word that is fine?
We actually agree on this point. I don’t think this is really an issue for the vast majority of people. I don’t even think it is possible to have a sexual orientation before you hit puberty, and those who claim to have one are probably being used by their parents. Again, I think this is such a small minority of cases that it doesn’t really merit consideration.
Then why the policy change?
That being said, the main point with this policy is not the boy of 10, it is the 16 and 17-year-olds who are not being used by anyone.
Go along for the ride? I don’t think the Scouts will be using them to promote the “gay agenda”. What is the scoutmaster going to do? Tell the parents of a 16-year-old “Your son is a pawn of the secret gay agenda.”

Yeah, it really is.

So your point is some 16 year old kid says: “I am gay” and then that is the end of it? No other issues associated with it. If that is the case there really was no need for the policy change.
 
Masturbation is sinful, whether it be solitary or with others, unless it forms part of foreplay leading to intercourse inside marriage.
What century are you living in? The joy of sexual self-pleasure is a gift from God.
 
That is not the issue either. One can abstain from sexual acts but promote “gay” ideology as good and normal. What about “gay” youths dating and talking about it? No sex but dating. Is that consistent with moral goodness?
Are you afraid the other boys are going to catch the gay? It doesn’t exactly work like that.

Also, just an FYI, if any of these children go to college, they will be bombarded with more than just one gay teen talking about a nonsexual relationship with a friend. We are fooling ourselves if we think they don’t already know what is going on when they are in high school too. Keeping them in a bubble doesn’t really do any good.
 
What we have here are Christians struggling with the mystery of God’s creation. And rigidly denying science and human understand; both of which are gifts from God.
Apparently what we have is moral relativism with a patina of religiosity claiming that the moral law does not bind and that proclaiming the moral truth is hateful. That is typical of the gay agenda.
 
Do you have any understanding of how Scouting works? It is decentralized so the charter organization has more influence over the individual troop than the National Council does.

I don’t think issues of sexuality will come up, but it is better having them in Scouts which will likely be charted to a religious organization than outside of it. I know that meeting the priests at the Catholic parish where my troop was chartered played a major role in my conversion to Catholicism, even though the troop itself had no opportunity for catechisis.
As a former scout for years, I do understand. I am using Scouts as a whole generally, since practicies varied from den to den, pack to pack, and region to region when I attended. If the issue of sexuality never came up, why is the issue of sexuality being voted on (past tense)?
 
CaptFun responds in RED
It’s not about boys. *

"The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force applauded Spielberg for his resignation.

“We’d like to thank Steven Spielberg for recognizing the bigotry that the Boy Scouts’ policy has been perpetuating,” said Elizabeth Toledo, the NGLTF executive director. “This issue won’t go away for the Boy Scouts. Through actions like these, they will be forced to revisit [their policies].”

bleedingcool.com/2013/05/20/archie-comics-first-gay-kiss-as-a-result-of-one-million-moms/

Boys aren’t causing this. *

Peace,
Ed
  • MY emphasis of and agreement with edwest2’s words in RED above.
👍 Wish there were a sad-face option on the thumbs up graphic here though.

Thanks for the info on the woman who just called the many selfless volunteer Boy Scout leaders bigots (to my ears and eyes). Are we to suppose that Spielberg is doing something better NOW – with this resignation a fait accompli? Or that now his longstanding social sin (sic! :nope:) of having been one of these leaders (who espoused and enforced “bigoted policies” :nope: for SO long) is forgiven by … Elizabeth Toledo and her (ever so much BETTER organization to be sure :nope:) – even though in her words …
“This issue won’t go away for the Boy Scouts. Through actions like these, they will be forced to revisit [their policies].” ?
That quote sounds like a threat. And not an empty one. There was a time when such might merit an investigation by the Justice Department or Congress or the Senate. At LEAST a “what do you mean by that?”

Can anyone, even with a gift for fiction and a good imagination picture the reverse of this scenario? People joining Ms. Toledo’s group with oppositional intent and threats? It takes me to the borders of outlandish to even propose such a fiction. HER group is on the attack. She is not a boy. Or a man. But she has a lot to say about the Boy Scouts. Not a real case where some actual bigotry was done mind you, but a sweeping slander of the Boy Scouts.

In the future will the resume enhancement “I was an Eagle Scout” be seen as the equivalent to “I got top grades in the Hitler Jugend!”? In some circles, my guess would be yes.

You were one of THOSE?!! :eek:
 
So your point is some 16 year old kid says: “I am gay” and then that is the end of it? No other issues associated with it. If that is the case there really was no need for the policy change.
Yup. That’s it. The point of the policy change? Because before now the policy was (and still is until the new year…) this:

High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Bye-bye.

It will soon be:
High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Who cares? Go back and finish cleaning the dishes.
 
Are you afraid the other boys are going to catch the gay? It doesn’t exactly work like that.
What a foolish thing to ask. Apparently you do not view homosexual ideology and acts as that immoral.
Also, just an FYI, if any of these children go to college, they will be bombarded with more than just one gay teen talking about a nonsexual relationship with a friend. We are fooling ourselves if we think they don’t already know what is going on when they are in high school too. Keeping them in a bubble doesn’t really do any good.
Ah, here comes the usual propaganda. Anything goes because it will happen anyway. Now the argument is not that the new policy is bad but hey so what it happens anyway. Got it.
 
Yup. That’s it. The point of the policy change? Because before now the policy was (and still is until the new year…) this:

High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Bye-bye.

It will soon be:
High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Who cares? Go back and finish cleaning the dishes.
Yea right. Was there a tidal wave of “gays” being excluded?
 
Yup. That’s it. The point of the policy change? Because before now the policy was (and still is until the new year…) this:

High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Bye-bye.

It will soon be:
High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Who cares? Go back and finish cleaning the dishes.
or better yet…

High school junior/Eagle Scout: I’m gay.
Scoutmaster: Did you want a Badge or is that your excuse for getting out of KP? Go back and finish cleaning the dishes
 
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