Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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Race is not an action, homosexual practice is.

Race is simply a human adaptation.
A debate about homosexuality being a biological consequent or a choice is fruitless here – I know how the race comparison plays out in these circles. But I would suggest that speaking with actual gays and lesbians might offer a much more nuanced approach to this part of the topic.
There are many many instances in history where majorities made wrongheaded decisions. It happens more often when we lose our moral compass.
Yes, majorities can indeed make wrongheaded decisions. Seems like the BSA’s decision is righting at least one of these wrongs.
 
Not all reasons (claims) are reasoned. You claim, for example, that the “contemporary psychiatric majority …] is little more than a windsock in the air of public opinion.” This is an unsubstantiated claim that has not been proven.
I gave you two links that the former President of the APA himself said it.
 
“Wait – we should cater to homophobes? That’s like claiming that affirmative action shouldn’t be in place because it infuriates closet racists. Who cares? These people aren’t using logic to begin with.”
Race is not an action, homosexual practice is.

Race is simply a human adaptation.
And you’ve missed the point of my comparison. Society shouldn’t determine laws based on how these laws may or may not infuriate those who hate.
 
A debate about homosexuality being a biological consequent or a choice is fruitless here – I know how the race comparison plays out in these circles. But I would suggest that speaking with actual gays and lesbians might offer a much more nuanced approach to this part of the topic.

Yes, majorities can indeed make wrongheaded decisions. Seems like the BSA’s decision is righting at least one of these wrongs.
Conversations hearing the struggles they experience is very insightful It does nothing though to lock down the science.

You will know them by their fruits… The moral compass is spinning wildly here.
 
I gave you two links that the former President of the APA himself said it.
What does the current medical community claim?

What would be the motivation for the APA and others to deny homosexuality as a perversion?
 
“Wait – we should cater to homophobes? That’s like claiming that affirmative action shouldn’t be in place because it infuriates closet racists. Who cares? These people aren’t using logic to begin with.”

And you’ve missed the point of my comparison. Society shouldn’t determine laws based on how these laws may or may not infuriate those who hate.
Is hate always a bad thing?
 
Not all reasons (claims) are reasoned. You claim, for example, that the “contemporary psychiatric majority …] is little more than a windsock in the air of public opinion.” This is an unsubstantiated claim that has not been proven.
Proven? Again a word that is not apt. One can not prove such things only provide evidence. I base my opinion on the history of the the recent changes in the DSM to reclassify homosexuality, the compromises and changes.

Again, one can believe that which the Bible calls the pillar of truth, the Catholic Church, or one can believe groups that have no Holy Spirit. Instead, they are fed lies fed by politicians who in turn are influenced by people trying to feel better about sinning, who in turn are led by their sinful desires and by the great orchestrator of this sex-obsessed society, Satan himself.
 
Conversations hearing the struggles they experience is very insightful It does nothing though to lock down the science.

You will know them by their fruits… The moral compass is spinning wildly here.
I’d say you’d be less inclined to search far and wide for “evidence” that homosexuality is a choice if you spoke with actual homosexuals. (Then again, when this was proposed earlier, someone claimed that if we can prove it’s not a choice, then we’ll ultimately find a “cure,” as though biology=disease. 🤷 It’s like a conversation in the Twilight Zone.)
 
I’d say you’d be less inclined to search far and wide for “evidence” that homosexuality is a choice if you spoke with actual homosexuals. (Then again, when this was proposed earlier, someone claimed that if we can prove it’s not a choice, then we’ll ultimately find a “cure,” as though biology=disease. 🤷 It’s like a conversation in the Twilight Zone.)
Is your claim they are powerless to not act on it?
 
The Catholic Medical Association…thank goodness that group has no vested interest in viewing homosexuality in a negative light. :rolleyes:
Yet you are willing to accept secular sources? Why have so much faith in them?

**3) Same-sex attraction is preventable **
If the emotional and developmental needs of each child are properly met by both family and peers, the development of same-sex attraction is very unlikely. Children need affection, praise and acceptance by each parent, by siblings and by peers. Such social and family situations, however, are not always easily established and the needs of children are not always readily identifiable. Some parents may be struggling with their own trials and be unable to provide the attention and support their children require. Sometimes parents work very hard but the particular personality of the child makes support and nurture more difficult. Some parents saw incipient signs, sought professional assistance and advice and were given inadequate and in some cases erroneous advice.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV (APA 1994) of the American Psychiatric Association has defined Gender Identity Disorder (GID) in children as a strong, persistent cross gender identification, a discomfort with one’s own sex, and a preference for cross sex roles in play or in fantasies. Some researchers (Friedman 1988, Phillips, 1992) have identified another less pronounced syndrome in boys — chronic feelings of unmasculinity. These boys while not engaging in any cross sex play or fantasies, feel profoundly inadequate in their masculinity and have an almost phobic reaction to rough and tumble play in early childhood and a strong dislike of team sports. Several studies have shown that children with Gender Identity Disorder and boys with chronic juvenile unmasculinity are at-risk for same-sex attraction in adolescence.(Newman 1976; Zucker 1995; Harry 1989)
The early identification (Hadden 1967) and proper professional intervention, if supported by parents, can often overcome the gender identity disorder (Rekers 1974: Newman 1976). Unfortunately, many parents who report these concerns to their pediatricians are told not to worry about them. In some cases, the symptoms and parental concerns may appear to lessen when the child enters the second or third grade, but unless adequately dealt with the symptoms may reappear at puberty as intense, same-sex attraction. This attraction appears to be the result of a failure to identify positively with one’s own sex.
It is important that those involved in child care and education become aware of the signs of gender identity disorder and chronic juvenile unmasculinity and access the resources available to find appropriate help for these children. (Bradley 1998; Brown 1963: Acosta 1975) Once convinced that same-sex attraction is not a genetically determined disorder, one is able to hope for prevention and one is also able to hope for a therapeutic model to greatly mitigate if not eliminate same-sex attractions.
**4) At-risk, not predestined **
While a number of studies have shown that children who have been sexually abused, children exhibiting the symptoms of GID, and boys with chronic juvenile unmasculinity are at risk for same-sex attractions in adolescence and adulthood, it is important to note that a significant percentage of these children do not become homosexually active as adults. (Green 1985: Bradley 1998)
For some, negative childhood experiences are overcome by later positive interactions. Some make a conscious decision to turn away from temptation. The presence and the power of God’s grace, while not always measurable, cannot be discounted as a factor in helping an at-risk individual turn away from same-sex attraction. The labeling of an adolescent, or worse a child, as unchangeably “homosexual” does the individual a grave disservice. Such adolescents or children can, with appropriate, positive intervention, be given proper guidance to deal with early emotional traumas.
 
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Yet you are willing to accept secular sources? Why have so much faith in them?

Because they’re secular. Logic is valuable because it isn’t dependent on faith or variations therein.
That is the point. Their argument is an emotional one.

Pure logic will lead one to truth.
 
You are aware of the collapse of psychiatry lately? Perhaps you should do some research on its abject failure.
You asked, “Is your claim [that homosexuals] are powerless to not act on it?”

I answered “No.”

I don’t understand what the collapse of psychiatry has to do with my response.
 
You asked, “Is your claim [that homosexuals] are powerless to not act on it?”

I answered “No.”

I don’t understand what the collapse of psychiatry has to do with my response.
It shouldn’t have been in that post. 🙂
 
There you use that word again. Reason. I stated reasons. Likewise there are reasons to distrust a contemporary psychiatric majority which is little more than a windsock in the air of public opinion. This is why that a conversation involving Catholics will have reasons that have stood the test of time and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Thank you.

Peace,
Ed
 
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