Brazil Church condemns abortion of twins

[rayne89]

If the family repents the excommunication can be lifted by the way.

 

[Beautiful]

I am surprised that strong Catholics don’t understand the church’s actions here. The church does not allow for abortion for any reason, at all, ever.

It was a reality check to view all the reader responses at the news agency website. Many were Catholic and referenced the Church is very negative ways. These Catholics that claim to be strong Catholics evidently aren’t very strong at all. This is as sobering as running front row in a battle and turning back to see I’m mostly alone against a very angry mob on both sides.

 

[Beautiful]

If the family repents the excommunication can be lifted by the way.

Forgiveness - the big thing

 

[averheyen]

Well, the Doctors would have been excommunicated either way, regardless of it being a public excummunication or not. I think the real question here is, why did the Bishop make it a public excommunication instead of simply recognizing it as an automatic one? What’s the situation that different in Brazil as compared to North America?

 

[NReily]

Well, the Doctors would have been excommunicated either way, regardless of it being a public excummunication or not. I think the real question here is, why did the Bishop make it a public excommunication instead of simply recognizing it as an automatic one? What’s the situation that different in Brazil as compared to North America?

I think it is because the issue became public and in the news, so he had to respond so the faithful in Brazil don’t get the impression that it is okay to do that.

 

[IrishRose]

… as far as I know, the Church has not issued a statement on the father’s crimes. I doubt it’s intentional, but it sends the message that child rapists are A-OK.

In recent years we’ve all been made aware that the Church has a long history of protecting child-rapists. Given the Church’s attitude toward child abuse, particularily the sexual abuse of girls, it is hardly surprising that the step-father has not been excommunicated .

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

This, it appears, was a shopped abortion. LifeSite news reports:

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09030601.html

“Although doctors at the hospital where the girl was initially admitted, Imip, reportedly said that her life was not in danger, her mother reportedly transferred her to another hospital, Cisam, that was willing to do the abortion.”

I correspond with some revisionist Christians (never mind their denomination) who are making heroes out of the mother and doctor, trashing the Church and Archbishop, and saying nothing about the 2 murder victims. They are totally anti-family, so this is no surprise.

God bless the brave Archbishop.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I am pro-life too, but I can’t see how a nine year old child would survive the pregnancy of twins, and I don’t think the Brazilian Catholic Church should have spoken out like this as it kind of makes us look like a Church that would risk the death of a child and I can’t see how she would have been physically able to carry twins to full term, thus I don’t believe the babies would have survived anyway.

Unless someone can show me proof that this child would have been able to carry those twins to a viable age, I see this as a case of saving the life of an innocent child, as I can’t see how the twins would have survived anyway. The nine year old is a child too, just as the aborted babies were.

I’ve got a ten year old girl, and I can’t see how her small body would have been able to carry two babies to a viable age, let alone a nine year old.

When the pregnancy got to a point where it was too much physically for the 9 year old, they could have performed a cesarean section and then done all possible to save the lives of the twins. They did not have to tear the babies apart.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Why isn’t the child raping piece of garbage stepfather also being excommunicated? Why doesn’t the Church view him as sharing in the responsibility of the abortion? He’s the one that created the babies!

I think that the enragement is not so much that the mother/doctors are being excommunicated but that the father is not, and that as far as I know, the Church has not issued a statement on the father’s crimes. I doubt it’s intentional, but it sends the message that child rapists are A-OK.

Is performing an abortion on a 9 year old worse than raping your stepdaughter from the ages of 6 to 9 and only stopping because you were found out when she becomes pregnant? Logically, yes, because the abortion took away the chance at life for these babies, the chance to grow up and live life and serve God and be raped themselves, etc, etc…but isn’t raping kids against God’s law too? The Bishop says they must be excommunicated for breaking God’s law, which is above man’s law. So why isn’t the Bishop publically excommunicating all others who break God’s law - starting with this pigscum rapist?

I’m against abortion. I believe life begins at conception. I believe abortion is always killing, always the taking of a human life. But it is not always 1st degree murder. Sometimes it is self-defense.

those babies were not holding a gun on the mother. Abortion is never self defense.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

The excommunication is absolutely ridiculous. This nine year old child cannot carry a twin pregnancy or probably any pregnancy to term and would likely die as a result or be severely physically damaged. Her doctors have also stated this. These twins should not have been sent to grow in her womb by this rapist. The nine year old’s life matters just as much as the pregnancy. If this happened to my daughter I would do exactly the same thing. I am pro life which includes not letting my daughter be physically destroyed.

And are you speaking of the mother of the 9 year old who was blind for three years while her husband was sexually abusing her daughter?

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

In recent years we’ve all been made aware that the Church has a long history of protecting child-rapists. Given the Church’s attitude toward child abuse, particularily the sexual abuse of girls, it is hardly surprising that the step-father has not been excommunicated .

Where in the Truth do you claim to get your information?

 

[rayne89]

In recent years we’ve all been made aware that the Church has a long history of protecting child-rapists. Given the Church’s attitude toward child abuse, particularily the sexual abuse of girls, it is hardly surprising that the step-father has not been excommunicated .

It is hardly surprising because there are only certain offenses that call for excommunication. Abortion, using violent force against the pope, desecration of the Eucharist, a priest who absolves a partner in adultery, consecrating a bishop without a pontifical mandate, directly violating the seal of confession and formal apostasy, heresy or schism. Those are reasons in Canon law for excommunication.

Excommunication is not meant as a form of punishment per se but as the most serious way of trying to bring a person to repentance. A person who excommunicated is not “kicked out” of the church but has lost many important rights and benefits of the church.

Those who want a person excommunicated as some sort of public branding or condemnation to hell completely misunderstand excommunication (and the power of the church). The whole purpose of excommunication is try to save a person’s soul, to bring them to repentance.

The church can never condemn a person to hell. Even those who die in excommunication are never stated with certainty that they are in hell. That is all up to God.

 

[FrancesMarx]

I condemn the Brazilian Church and Vatican for backing the Brazilian church. One day Lord himself will come and ask these folks to use a bit of common sense, show a bit of compassion and burn those ridiculous dogmas.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

I condemn the Brazilian Church and Vatican for backing the Brazilian church. One day Lord himself will come and ask these folks to use a bit of common sense, show a bit of compassion and burn those ridiculous dogmas.

There is absolutely nothing ridiculous about dogmas that protect the sanctity of life from conception to its natural ending.

There is nothing Catholic about condemning either the Curia (the Vatican, as any Catholic knows, is a city, not an organization) or the Archbishop for defending life.

Condemnations like this do nothing to the Church, but can be most corrosive to the condemner.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Beautiful]

It was a reality check to view all the reader responses at the news agency website. Many were Catholic and referenced the Church is very negative ways. These Catholics that claim to be strong Catholics evidently aren’t very strong at all. This is as sobering as running front row in a battle and turning back to see I’m mostly alone against a very angry mob on both sides.

In Christ’s human life, there were always a few who made up for the
neglect of the crowd. The shepherds did it; their hurrying to the crib
atoned for the people who would flee from Christ. The wise men did it;
their journey across the world made up for those who refused to stir one
hand’s breadth from the routine of their lives to go to Christ. The
women at the foot of the Cross did it to, making up for the crowd who
stood by and sneered.

We can do it too, exactly as they did. We are not born too late. We do
it by seeing Christ and serving Christ in friends and strangers, in
everyone we come in contact with.

~ Dorothy Day ~

 

[porthos11]

I condemn the Brazilian Church and Vatican for backing the Brazilian church. One day Lord himself will come and ask these folks to use a bit of common sense, show a bit of compassion and burn those ridiculous dogmas.

Nope. He will call those doctors to task for tearing apart two innocent twins. How about compassion for those two lives? No one seems to speak on their behalf.

The moral thing to do was bring the twins far into the pregnancy as safely as possible, then deliver them when necessary and baptize them, then try to save their lives as best they can. If the twins died then, it would have been through no direct violence to them but due to the natural course of the circumstances.

 

[swangeese]

Truth is, the Church doesn’t care about the girl or the twins she was carrying. Their interest, like other anti-choicers, is in controlling people. They don’t care about the welfare of the pregnant woman or that of the potential child in her womb.

In the Church’s eyes, women are simply broodmares to birth future Catholics.

Once a woman gives birth or dies, they all wash their hands of her. Hell I should know, I used to be active in the “pro-life” movement.

Stories like this just reinforce why I left.

“You’re not going crazy, you’re going sane in a crazy world!” -The Tick

 

[Beautiful]

swangeese,

Did you ever consider that you never fully grasped the Truth? Do you desire to grasp Truth?

There were two precious lives in the womb of a nine year old girl. Just when the nine year old needed a parent the most, her mother purposefully brought two innocent lives to death.

Your claims about the Church are false. The Catholic Church has many safe havens and measures for women and children throughout the world. Your callous and rude remark about women is actually a reflection of your own negative perception of femininity and reproduction in general.

The Church stands to protect life.

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.

 

[FrancesMarx]

There is absolutely nothing ridiculous about dogmas that protect the sanctity of life from conception to its natural ending.

There is nothing Catholic about condemning either the Curia (the Vatican, as any Catholic knows, is a city, not an organization) or the Archbishop for defending life.

Condemnations like this do nothing to the Church, but can be most corrosive to the condemner.

Blessings,

Gerry

I see it ridiculous.The clergy is a safe haven for Child Molesters and now they finds it should be OK for a 9 year old girl to give birth.
I feel bad for being a Catholic. I wish I had no connections with the church.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7930380.stm

 

[Apryl]

but in cases of extreme cases like this, there has be some tolerance for the family here. We are talking about excommunicating THE FAMILY who wants to save their daughter’s 9-YEAR OLD LIFE who was horribly raped by a monster stepfather.

Please explain: how does having an abortion un-rape this girl?