Breaking: Trump fires acting AG for refusing to enforce travel ban

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The land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE. Not the home of the 'fraidy cats following a fascist. I have served my country. I understand the threat. However, the bigger threat, right now, is to liberty and what makes our country great.
I’m trying to understand your contempt for Trump supporters, but all you’ve demonstrated with the context of your use of the word “fascist” is you’re ignorant of history and think “fascism” is a synonym for things you don’t like. Saying “Brussel Sprouts” are fascist would communicate about the same level of understanding.
 
I’m trying to understand your contempt for Trump supporters, but all you’ve demonstrated with the context of your use of the word “fascist” is you’re ignorant of history and think “fascism” is a synonym for things you don’t like. Saying “Brussel Sprouts” are fascist would communicate about the same level of understanding.
From wikipedia: Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society

I think I’m right. I don’t post things without reason or without thought.
 
Probably because Davis refused a law due to “religious beliefs” where Yates upheld the law.
But Yates didn’t. An EO carries the weight of law.

You can pretend otherwise if you want, but earlier in this very topic, Yates was praised for putting her principles above her duty.

“A profile in courage.”

“I agree that she is standing up for something, and that people should be applauded for standing up for what they believe in. I’m sure she won’t be the last.”

Just admit you view Davis differently because you don’t agree with her beliefs about marriage, as evidenced by your need to put “quotes” around the words religious beliefs.

I suspect folks on both sides of aisle are tainted not by the act of defiance, but by whether or not they agree with the principles of the person defying. That’s human nature.
 
From wikipedia: Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society

I think I’m right. I don’t post things without reason or without thought.
Being able to copy-paste a textbook definition of a subject doesn’t actually communicate knowledge of the subject. Where has Trump or any of his supporters advocated for mobilizing society under a totalitarian one-party state? What specific proposals has Trump made that reflect a totalitarian mindset? Trump’s policies of reducing government regulation and reducing government involvement of health care seem the exact opposite of fascist policies. In a fascist political system, the government controls literally everything. Trump is going in the opposite direction, hence my questioning of whether or not you understand “fascist” as anything beyond something you dislike.
 
From wikipedia: Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society

I think I’m right. I don’t post things without reason or without thought.
A follow on point, a distinguishing characteristic of fascist movements is an “action arm”, in the case of the Nazis, it was the “Brown Shirts” (SA). For the Italian fascists it was the “Black Shirts”. Where is the equivalent group in Trump’s totalitarian movement? Most of the political violence we’re seeing now is coming from Trump’s opponents.
 
Being able to copy-paste a textbook definition of a subject doesn’t actually communicate knowledge of the subject. Where has Trump or any of his supporters advocated for mobilizing society under a totalitarian one-party state? What specific proposals has Trump made that reflect a totalitarian mindset? Trump’s policies of reducing government regulation and reducing government involvement of health care seem the exact opposite of fascist policies. In a fascist political system, the government controls literally everything. Trump is going in the opposite direction, hence my questioning of whether or not you understand “fascist” as anything beyond something you dislike.
Ultra-Nationalism - Check
Militarism - Check (Surrounding himself with Generals)
Violence in Politics - Check (Remember his rallies and his calls to hurt people?)
Ultra - Masculinity - Check (Grab em by the…)
Cult of leader - Check (He is Donald Trump, after all. Only he can solve the problems)
Recover the lost glory - Check (MAke America Great Again)
Mass party revolt - Check (He took over the Republican party)
Theatrical showmanship - Check (Can’t dispute this)

He is well on the way down the road of fascism. Just look at his executive orders - he does indeed want to control everything.
 
But Yates didn’t. An EO carries the weight of law.

You can pretend otherwise if you want, but earlier in this very topic, Yates was praised for putting her principles above her duty.

“A profile in courage.”
I praised her for doing her duty. It is her duty, leading DoJ, to inform and, when necessary reign in, the White House on matters of law. It is possible to disagree on the whether or not she was correct in her thinking on the legal principles connected to that EO - especially as its implementation evolved over time - but it is wrong to say that she was acting outside of her duty.

The incoming AG made this point soundly during Yates’s confirmation hearing
 
Ultra-Nationalism - Check
Militarism - Check (Surrounding himself with Generals)
Violence in Politics - Check (Remember his rallies and his calls to hurt people?)
Ultra - Masculinity - Check (Grab em by the…)
Cult of leader - Check (He is Donald Trump, after all. Only he can solve the problems)
Recover the lost glory - Check (MAke America Great Again)
Mass party revolt - Check (He took over the Republican party)
Theatrical showmanship - Check (Can’t dispute this)

He is well on the way down the road of fascism. Just look at his executive orders - he does indeed want to control everything.
See, this is what I’m talking about, it’s all subjective. Trump wears a flag pin, Ultra-Nationalist, Hillary Clinton wears a flag pin, not Ultra-Nationalist. Trump is militaristic, but President “Drone-Strike a Wedding” isn’t. Cult leader more accurately describes Obama where you had government school kids singing songs praising him. Theatrical showmanship, you mean like when ESPN devotes an hour to Obama giving his NCAA picks? You’ve done nothing but demonstrate your understanding of fascism as things you don’t like. You don’t like Trump, so he’s a fascist, even though most of what he’s done to date is to try to reduce the impact of government on people’s lives, which is the exact opposite of fascist ideology.
 
SYou don’t like Trump, so he’s a fascist, even though most of what he’s done to date is to try to reduce the impact of government on people’s lives, which is the exact opposite of fascist ideology.
He’s trying to increase the impact of Trump. Only he can fix this.

I do not want to oppose Trump for the sake of opposing Trump. I am a conservative.
 
He rarely seemed to act against terror, but they must have thought his list was satisfactory.
Considering under his watch that we did not have an orchestrated attack as on 911 by someone of the likes of the Saudi Bin Laden who Obama found in Pakistan and that we were not attacked by anyone from the 7 countries on his list, perhaps he did more than you are aware of.
 
See, this is what I’m talking about, it’s all subjective. Trump wears a flag pin, Ultra-Nationalist, Hillary Clinton wears a flag pin, not Ultra-Nationalist. Trump is militaristic, but President “Drone-Strike a Wedding” isn’t. Cult leader more accurately describes Obama where you had government school kids singing songs praising him. Theatrical showmanship, you mean like when ESPN devotes an hour to Obama giving his NCAA picks? You’ve done nothing but demonstrate your understanding of fascism as things you don’t like. You don’t like Trump, so he’s a fascist, even though most of what he’s done to date is to try to reduce the impact of government on people’s lives, which is the exact opposite of fascist ideology.
Well, Trump has not exactly “reduced the impact of government on people’s lives” by his travel ban or opposition to sanctuary cities. And for those people who lose their health insurance under the ACA of Obamacare, he has reduced the impact of government on people’s lives but with potentially disastrous consequences.
 
See, this is what I’m talking about, it’s all subjective. Trump wears a flag pin, Ultra-Nationalist, Hillary Clinton wears a flag pin, not Ultra-Nationalist. Trump is militaristic, but President “Drone-Strike a Wedding” isn’t. Cult leader more accurately describes Obama where you had government school kids singing songs praising him. Theatrical showmanship, you mean like when ESPN devotes an hour to Obama giving his NCAA picks? You’ve done nothing but demonstrate your understanding of fascism as things you don’t like. You don’t like Trump, so he’s a fascist, even though most of what he’s done to date is to try to reduce the impact of government on people’s lives, which is the exact opposite of fascist ideology.
Partisan partiality is hardly indicative of a cult. It is par for the course. When an elected official outrages his base, that’s news. If Donald Trump ever acts in a way calculated to avoid enraging his opponents, that will be news, too. He seems to like them stirred up, or doesn’t care so long as he can please those what brought him to the Dance.

Obama got on ESPN because, well, he’s good on TV. He’s smooooth. If the President of the United States is a ham that bumps the ratings up, he’s going to be on TV pretty much whenever he wants. Trump is not exactly smooth, but he’s a television talent, too, someone people will watch. He’s going to be on TV far more than either George Bush, probably more than any other President in history, because he craves the attention and he likes being on camera.

As for the fired AG, she was a short-timer with an honest ideological difference in reading the Constitution. Either Trump never consulted her (which would have been a bad idea) or he consulted her and dared her to defy his decision which would have been a calculated risk that probably didn’t risk turning a hair on his partisans. If nothing else, it gave him the chance to make the utterly unsurprising show of being willing to fire someone who crossed him. It wasn’t the smoothest move in town, but maybe he doesn’t care. He certainly manages his politics out of his own playbook, that is for certain.

In other words, it is entirely possible that both the President and the acting AG that he fired got exactly what each wanted out of this moment of grandstanding. On the scale of news coming in the next year, I will wager it will be low in the footnotes, excepting that perhaps she may be the first of many the President pointedly fires.
 
It is sad that the travel issue - however ill advised - has obscured the fact that a few days before Trump spoke in active support of the use of torture.
 
It is sad that the travel issue - however ill advised - has obscured the fact that a few days before Trump spoke in active support of the use of torture.
The March against Torture is scheduled for the third week of April. They were going to try and schedule it sooner in March, but the protesters were already booked for the March of LGTBBQ Veterinary Surgeons Opposed to Slavery, Crony-Capitalism, Drilling in National Parks and the Teletubbies.
 
The March against Torture is scheduled for the third week of April. They were going to try and schedule it sooner in March, but the protesters were already booked for the March of LGTBBQ Veterinary Surgeons Opposed to Slavery, Crony-Capitalism, Drilling in National Parks and the Teletubbies.
Wow.
Torture is not a laughing matter.
 
Wow.
Torture is not a laughing matter.
Ooooh, burn. You got me - I was making light or torture. Except i clearly wasn’t.

I oppose it and disagree with Trump here. I also find the incessant “spontaneous marches” to be an embarrassing joke.
 
Well, Trump has not exactly “reduced the impact of government on people’s lives” by his travel ban or opposition to sanctuary cities. And for those people who lose their health insurance under the ACA of Obamacare, he has reduced the impact of government on people’s lives but with potentially disastrous consequences.
Enforcing immigration laws and preventing foreign terrorists from entering the US are well within the responsibilities we give the President. Forcing people to buy a commercial product they don’t want, can’t afford, and/or don’t need isn’t. And if you want to be honest, the main avenue for increasing health insurance coverage has been an expansion of Medicaid. Medicaid doesn’t do a very good job of ensuring people get health care, which should be the purpose of having health insurance, being able to get care when you’re sick.
 
Well, Trump has not exactly “reduced the impact of government on people’s lives” by his travel ban or opposition to sanctuary cities. And for those people who lose their health insurance under the ACA of Obamacare, he has reduced the impact of government on people’s lives but with potentially disastrous consequences.
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Wow.
Torture is not a laughing matter.
Neither is being burned alive or beheaded with a Rambo knife. You have to impose extreme measure to prevent it.

Oh, neither was going to war a laughing matter and yet we sent our soldiers getting killed, thousands of them in the two World Wars.

It is about prevention of the greater evil but only when necessary. Nobody wants it. This is actually for the professionals, the soldiers. Good thing that Trump defers to them despite his personal opinion.
 
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