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Recently I found this website, which much to my delight had the entire old-style Liturgy of the Hours in Latin and in English! So I subscribed to it have been enjoying using it since.

However, just recently I just found out that the group that has put this together, The Confraternity of Sts. Peter and Paul, is a Sedevacantist group. So it looks like I inadvertantly gave money to a group that doesn’t recognize the pope. But still, the Breviary itself is wonderful.

My question is, is this version of the Breviary “all right” to use? I also later realized that this version is not the one that the pope approved for use in his recent Motu Proprio (the approved one is the 1962 version, used by the FSSP?). But still, would it be all right to use “breviary.net” and their version of the Hours, keeping in mind that I am completely loyal to Pope Benedict and to Vatican II (I just prefer an older breviary in Latin and also prefer the TLM, that’s all).

Thank you for your guidance on this, to anyone who responds.
 
Benedictine said:
Recently I found this website, which much to my delight had the entire old-style Liturgy of the Hours in Latin and in English! So I subscribed to it have been enjoying using it since.

However, just recently I just found out that the group that has put this together, The Confraternity of Sts. Peter and Paul, is a Sedevacantist group. So it looks like I inadvertantly gave money to a group that doesn’t recognize the pope. But still, the Breviary itself is wonderful.

My question is, is this version of the Breviary “all right” to use? I also later realized that this version is not the one that the pope approved for use in his recent Motu Proprio (the approved one is the 1962 version, used by the FSSP?). But still, would it be all right to use “breviary.net” and their version of the Hours, keeping in mind that I am completely loyal to Pope Benedict and to Vatican II (I just prefer an older breviary in Latin and also prefer the TLM, that’s all).

Thank you for your guidance on this, to anyone who responds.
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Here is an alternative if you are interested: divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl#
 
Anyone who is required to use the Breviary officially can’t use it, they have to use the ones allowed by the Church currently to fulfill their obligation.

Priests, monks, etc.

U.S. priests aren’t even allowed to use the current U.K. English breviary, it’s that precise.

Laypeople however can use the older breviary, or any one whatsoever in general.

In particular to that site – it depends on whether the content of the site besides the breviary is problematic enough to be a danger to your faith or not. If it is, you should avoid it. If it is not, you may consider using the site. But you should not overestimate yourself in this regard, faith is a gift of God and if we put ourselves in the way of danger we can lose the protective graces of God just because of doing so. So my tendency would be to recommend to you to avoid the site, get a refund or simply put it aside, and do the older breviary some other way.

You can probably acquire the older breviary through Google Books, and downloading the volumes. Not as convenient by far, as having it arranged for you admittedly. 🤷

Oh and that other site above looks like it has it. 😃
 
Solo1959, this site looks great! Is there a website like this (Latin one side, English on the other), only with the current breviary? I’ve been looking for a good online breviary as well.
 
mozier said:
Solo1959, this site looks great! Is there a website like this (Latin one side, English on the other), only with the current breviary? I’ve been looking for a good online breviary as well.
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Gee, I don’t really know.The only other computer version I use is universalis. Sorry. But I’m glad you like this one! Let me [us] know if you find one that you are looking for so we can share it here.
 
Shin said:
Laypeople however can use the older breviary, or any one whatsoever in general.
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Religious who are not ordained are laypeople, so you have to be careful when making such blanket statements.

Also laypeople who are members of third orders or other associations that require them to pray the Liturgy of the Hours may have restrictions, you would need to check your constitutions and with your group to be sure.
 
ByzCath said:
Religious who are not ordained are laypeople, so you have to be careful when making such blanket statements.
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Consecrated Religious are not lay, they are religious, even though they are not necessarily ordained.
 
If you want Latin-English in the EF, the CMAA has such an edition, but I don’t know if it’s available in print. It is on their website as a pdf. Each page of the site (www.musicasacra.com) has many Latin resources (mostly EF, but OF also) on the right side. The Breviary (1961, 2009 reprint) is under “Other Resources”

Here is the direct link: musicasacra.com/books/breviarium5x8.pdf
 
Revs96 said:
Consecrated Religious are not lay, they are religious, even though they are not necessarily ordained.
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According to the Code of Canon Law there are only two states, ordained (clergy) and lay. Ordination makes an ontological change to the soul of the man being ordained, the taking of religious vows do not.

So technically a consecrated religious is a lay person.

Hence the old term in clerical orders, lay brother.
 
ByzCath said:
According to the Code of Canon Law there are only two states, ordained (clergy) and lay. Ordination makes an ontological change to the soul of the man being ordained, the taking of religious vows do not.

So technically a consecrated religious is a lay person.

Hence the old term in clerical orders, lay brother.
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Where in Canon Law does it say that?
 
Revs96 said:
Where in Canon Law does it say that?
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Can. 207 §1 By divine institution, among Christ’s faithful there are in the Church sacred ministers, who in law are also called clerics - the others are called lay people.

**§2 **Drawn from both groups are those of Christ’s faithful who, professing the evangelical counsels through vows or other sacred bonds recognised and approved by the Church, are consecrated to God in their own special way and promote the salvific mission of the Church. Their state, although it does not belong to the hierarchical structure of the Church, does pertain to its life and holiness.

There are two states, clerical and lay.

Consecrated religious can be in either of these states, a religious priest would be a consecrated religious who is ordained, a religious brother or sister, is a lay person.
 
Revs96, thank you so much for the link to Almudi! This is EXACTLY what I have been searching for! With my English Language breviary, I can now learn the parts in Latin!
 
This site is sponsored by a sedevacantist group.

The rubrics they follow are those BEFORE the revisions of 1955 or so. (And I don’t mean the later ones of 1961 by Bl. John XXIII)

With these caveats and cautions, there’s no reason why one cannot use it.

I refer to the site all the time, especially to the Martyrology.
 
Since I am not bound to receite the breviary, and do so privately, this is the one I use when I chosethe breviary as one of my daily prayers. (I want to use it more for Lent). Like others here at CA, I try to just use the part of the website with the breviary since the site does seem to be run by sedevacantists.
If I was bound to the recitation of the breviary, I would use the same one used by the FSSP and other traditional priests in union with Rome.
 
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