Brexit: May Writes to the EU Requesting an Extension

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What on earth have we come to in this country?
I’ve just read a tweet from the Lib Dem MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle. He was physically threatened and called a traitor by a member of the public. Just horrific. And Theresa May has only served to whip this up. She knows the dangers MP face and she accuses them of being against the British people.
 
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The first referendum was advisory. The UK’s constitution is clear; parliament is the supreme legislative body. And at the end of the day, the UK is starting to get a taste of the chaos that Brexit produces. The EU isn’t just going to bend over and let the UK do whatever it wants, and still maintain privileged access to the European market. Cameron invoked this Referendum to appease the Eurosceptics in the Tory party, and those Eurosceptics, along with the likes of Nigel Farage, were quite willing to spread falsehoods to win the vote.

Everyone is pretty much in agreement Hard Brexit is a disaster. The EU is only willing to do a short delay, or a very long one, and Parliament isn’t interested in the same deal being shoved down their throats a third time. It really is reaching the point where Parliament will seize control, as May has lost her grip not only on her cabinet, but on her party.
 
@niceatheist how will Parliament seize control, and what will it do with the power once seized?
 
Well, it already partially has, because the Government can’t get the agreement to a third vote (and the first two were rejected). In effective terms, Parliament could simply demand that a committee of its members sit along side Government negotiators or any other terms it wanted, if May hopes to get anything passed through government. Alternatively, it could vote no confidence in the Government, and either submit some group to the queen as being able to form a government, or more likely triggering a new GE.
 
News coming out now suggesting May’s speech last night has alienated her Chief Whip, along with just about everyone else. Not good news for her, to put it mildly, especially since she may be attempting MV3 soon. I would truly love to know who on earth thought that speech was a good idea. I suspect the answer is “only Theresa and her husband”.

If last night’s statement from the Prime Minister was designed to ‘crack the whip’, then she’s succeeded - her Chief Whip is indeed feeling broken. I understand her sermon from the No10 lectern – damning of her Parliamentary colleagues on Brexit – has snapped the final bond of trust between Theresa May and Julian Smith - the man she relies on to deliver discipline, and most importantly, votes. In the tea rooms and offices of Parliament, the Chief Whip has been openly admitting today that he found last night’s statement in Downing Street "appalling."
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“She just won’t listen to us,” Julian Smith told one MP.
 
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Yep, Andrew Adonis (the peoples vote campaigner) has just commented about this on Twitter:


It was her husband’s idea, according to Adonis’ sources.

Her cabinet ministers were apparently just as appalled by what she said as we all were.
 
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It was her husband’s idea, according to Adonis’ sources.
That doesn’t surprise me. He must be the only person still backing her. From my memory, he stands to be quite successful from a no-deal Brexit.
 
Why go after only Theresa May? She’s incompetent and made promises she could never keep on this issue but remember who opened this Pandora’s box? David Cameron. He tore the UK apart and he got away with it. He opened a chasm that looks increasingly impossible to fix. By far the worst PM in the history of the world.

It’s awful to watch what’s happening. There are worse things but it’s still quite terrible to see the UK fracturing like this.
 
Day by day, the route to establishing any kind of united United Kingdom seems more impossible.
 
Why go after only Theresa May? She’s incompetent and made promises she could never keep on this issue but remember who opened this Pandora’s box? David Cameron. He tore the UK apart and he got away with it. He opened a chasm that looks increasingly impossible to fix. By far the worst PM in the history of the world.

It’s awful to watch what’s happening. There are worse things but it’s still quite terrible to see the UK fracturing like this.
And he refuses to own up or show any contrition for it.
 
Please forgive what will most likely be an ignorant question. I have followed this situation with only one ear. Is there any unanimity among conservative Catholics on Brexit–whether to stay or leave the EU? Or are they as divided as others seem to be?
 
Catholics belonging to the Conservative - or ‘Tory’ - party, are as divided on Brexit as the rest of the country.

During the 2016 campaign: “Conservative MPs were deeply divided on the issue and roughly equal numbers of Catholic parliamentarians declared on each side of the debate.”

So, no - there isn’t any unanimity.

The church hierarchy in the UK, however, including Cardinal Vincent Nichols were enthusiastic Remainers (pro-EU) - indeed the Vatican itself weighed in, early on, backing membership:


Remain/Brexit is a deeply complicated ideological and identity divide, which doesn’t fit neatly into the framework of U.S. politics (i.e. Democrat vs Republican), so I wouldn’t try to understand it through that lens.
 
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See this recent EWTN article from February 2019, perspectives from Catholic conservatives on both sides of the debate:

https://www.ewtn.co.uk/article/41314/brexit-through-the-eyes-of-a-catholic-politician

Brexit Through the Eyes of a Catholic Politician​

LONDON — The United Kingdom’s decision to leave the European Union, commonly referred to as “Brexit,” is not a religious issue, let alone a Catholic one.

That said, what do Britain’s Catholic politicians make of the 2016 referendum decision, which has now descended into what might be viewed as a constitutional crisis for the U.K.?

The subject of Brexit has divided the leaders and members of the two main political parties in the U.K. Many MPs and party members from both parties, Conservative and Labour, are firmly for “Remain,” while others in both parties are equally fixed in their desire to leave.

On the subject of Brexit, at least as evidenced in the actual vote in June 2016, the British electorate remains split more or less evenly.

Remainer Perspective

Simply put, many on the “Remain” side see Brexit as having an overall negative effect.

Charles Tannock, a Catholic and a British Conservative member of the European Parliament (MEP), summed up what many “Remainers” think when he told the Register, “Brexit means a poorer, more isolated U.K., with its peoples deprived of the freedom to live, work, study and retire anywhere across 30 countries, and [it] has caused a deeply divided country and political class.”

“It means potentially endless inconveniences, from non-recognition of U.K. driving licenses, pet passports to EHIC health travel cover,” he said. “It puts U.K. citizens at more risk from crime and terrorism, as the EU cooperation on both internal security and external security and defense is negatively impacted.”

Tannock added, “It means being a rule-taker for much of U.K.’s economy but no longer being in a position to influence matters in everything from medical licenses, to environmental, labor and financial regulation. … It means damage to U.K.’s NHS, as EU doctors and nurses stop coming as they lose their secure rights to practice in U.K.”

Fearing the unraveling of the current British constitutional arrangement, Tannock went on to add, “So far I have not identified one positive thing about Brexit. It could mean the potential breakup of the U.K., with an independent Scotland and a reunited Ireland.”

Tannock sees Brexit as “a selfish and destructive act by the U.K. against the EU.” There are still many recriminations on both sides about the claims that were made by both campaigns during the referendum debate.

Tannock said he feels that that debate preceding the referendum vote was an unhealthy one and sees no appetite for anything similar in any other EU nation.

He said, “Fortunately, no other EU 27 country is tempted to follow the U.K., having witnessed the disaster of Brexit and realized that so many lies and false promises were made by Brexiteers to deceive the U.K. electorate during the referendum campaign.”
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Brexiteer Perspective

Margot Parker is also a Catholic MEP, but she is a member of the pro-Brexit UKIP. She takes the opposite view to her fellow Catholic MEP Tannock .

“On June 23, 2016, 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU,” Parker told the Register. “It was an extraordinary result, despite the elites in politics throwing everything they could to win the electorate over into voting to remain in the EU.”

“The ramifications and mindset of the decision by the British people must be pragmatic and a move forward in an optimistic way to fulfill the ability to trade with the rest of the world and to bring back full control of our laws, fishing, immigration, etc., to a sovereign U.K.,” she said.

Reformation Influence?

What light, if any, does Catholic social teaching shed on this debate around national sovereignty, supranational structures and the idea of subsidiarity?

Tannock does see a “Catholic angle” to Brexit, but it is not a good one. Brexit, he thinks, reflects some of the stands of the 16th-century English Reformation.

“To me, there is a Catholic angle, as this desire to re-establish an English rather than British nationalist and populist powerful narrative, which they’ve masked as ‘British exceptionalism,’ is seen by some Brexiteers as a second Reformation rejecting Catholicism, which traditionally bonded England to Europe,” he said. “Loyalty to the pope in England as a ‘foreign prince’ will always be seen as suspicious by hardline English nationalists.”

Tannock went on to explain some of the other elements at work in Brexit through this historic lens.

“This partly explains the hostility felt by ‘Brextremists’ toward Ireland, which stayed loyal to the EU, and who, deep down, cannot accept and regret Ireland’s independence and sovereignty and hope Ireland can somehow be reabsorbed by the U.K. or, more precisely, by England.”

Three Current Options

Presently, there are three Brexit positions: “Remain” in the EU, “Leave” the EU without a deal, or “Leave” on the terms of May’s deal.
 
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