Brexit Tightrope

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That link doesn’t seem to work, @grotto.

After the local election results, Labour is now hopefully waking up to the fact that fudge doesn’t work. They need to decide what they’re going to support - remain, leave, a second referendum - and work towards it.
 
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Can’t say why the link did not work. It was “copy” and “paste”. That’s my limit. Sorry, maybe just go to Fox News and ask for Brexit info.
 
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Victoria33 said:
It’s dangerous to vote for Labour, a 1500 page on anti-semitism endemic in the party just came out.
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Certainly I wouldn’t vote Labour in its current form. I can’t abide Corbyn either, he’s as intransigent and stubborn as May.
 
Just registered to vote as a new UK citizen. This is all very new to me but my general impression that I get is that I’m really not impressed with Corbyn, and Labour needs to grow a pair. But I’m more than fed up with the Tories, too. I’m really not comfortable registering with any political party at all but my husband is a registered Lib Dem and a quiz I took scored me highest with them. I probably agree with them on most issues but not all of them. I have a conservative soul in some respects but I’m a “remoaner.” I’ll be voting in the European Parliament elections. Being an American this all feels very weird in general. 🤔
 
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Also as a new Brit – I thought I’d add that I very much like my local MP. He’s… gotten to be pretty well known. ORDER!
 
My priority for the moment is about Brexit, especially since Mrs May claimed that because 80% of people voted for parties (meaning Conservative and Labour) that supported leave, the public opinion is that we should leave. So I think I’d have to vote Lib Dem as well, although I’m struggling to be enthused by them.
 
I think you probably speak for a lot of people, I’ve noticed a lot of people worried about Brexit, especially people traditionally Labour – going Lib Dem over the issue.
 
At the time of the referendum I was probably just still getting used to being a permanent resident to even think about politics. But looking at it now, it all just seems like it was just a political move by Cameron but wasn’t expected to be a serious question that people or politicians would have to find an answer to. And that’s what makes my blood boil. I don’t even have a particular attachment to the EU the way my European spouse does, it’s just how irresponsibly it’s been handled from the very beginning and how poorly it’s been planned.
 
Congratulations on your citizenship and having your name on the electoral roll. Looks to me from your brief post that you are a thinker: we can do with more of them, whichever way you vote. Anyway, welcome!
 
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Lou2U said:
I think I’d have to vote Lib Dem as well, although I’m struggling to be enthused by them.
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Oh dear. Any way I can enthuse you? Their manifesto for the EU elections comes out tonight.
 
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Oh dear. Any way I can enthuse you? Their manifesto for the EU elections comes out tonight.
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In all fairness, I think I’m being a little harsh towards them. I do like their consistency on Brexit, and I’m pleased they made the gains they did in the local elections. I’ll be looking out for their manifesto tonight.
 
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But looking at it now, it all just seems like it was just a political move by Cameron but wasn’t expected to be a serious question that people or politicians would have to find an answer to. And that’s what makes my blood boil.
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Mine too. It infuriates me how reckless he was, and how he’s seemingly walked away from everything unscathed. There was a documentary a few months ago featuring Donald Tusk and Cameron, among others, about the Brexit vote. Tusk said Cameron had told him in the upcoming 2015 election, he had promised to hold a referendum, but he wasn’t going to win outright so it didn’t matter. And then, lo and behold, he did. And here we are.
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it’s just how irresponsibly it’s been handled from the very beginning and how poorly it’s been planned.
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It’s utterly shocking. I don’t know if you’ve seen it but last night on the BBC there was a documentary following the EU side of negotiations. Really fascinating stuff - how they were all trying to work together to come up with wording to satisfy the other 27 countries. There’s one scene where some Conservative Brexiteers spoke with Guy Verhofstadt and told him it was the EU who was putting a hard border in Ireland, not the UK. It’s impossible to negotiate with that kind of ignorance.
 
This is the election where the rubber hits the road for the Brexit Party. We’ll see if the polls mean something and they get themselves a visible presence in the European Parliament.

This is the moment for the Lib Dems to shine and show that the local elections were not a fluke. These are the two parties that have staked themselves on Brexit.

Labour is trying to be all things to all people, but has its own split to worry about. Plus they have a leader whose solution to helping May on Brexit is so bad, the UK would be better off staying in if that Leave option was the only one on the table.

The Tories will go through their own season of wrath as the people who voted for them thinking they will deliver Brexit are now quite angry with them. Those voters delivered a heck of a message in the local elections. The problem was most Tory MP’s were Remainers who enabled May in the collective foot-dragging exercise in slow walking Brexit into oblivion.
 
Quite how both Tories and Labour are going to cope with a bitterly divided country (whatever the Brexit outcome) is a mystery.
 
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