Bring back the papal tiara?

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lepanto said:
Why or why not?
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Because he is the Vicar of Christ on earth for crying out loud 😉 . Unique amont the apostles/bishops. Honor him as such. The tiara is simply a beautiful and historic way of expressing this reality.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
I like the crowns that the Eastern bishops use and that the Eastern priests use.

Benedict picked that swank style of pallium. He must have planned that, it was surely no spur of the moment thing to come up with that. I see him a lot in that very 21-st century gold chasuable,

The idea of the papal miter is to emphasize his fraternity with the other bishops of the world.

The Queen doesn’t wear the coronation crown every day, either. I think there should be some special head dress, and bring back something for the heads of the western rite priests. There should be something to distinguish them from the Anglicans/Episcopalians.
 
i think it reminds many that he’s the representative of “The Big Guy” :cool:
 
He should wear it on solemn and special occasions. I think the recent Popes stopped wearing the tiara because they wanted to appear more humble in the public sphere. If the Holy Father brought back everything that the old Popes did, I think the world would be shocked! He would appear more like a king and less like a humble servant of the LORD Jesus.
 
lepanto said:
Why or why not?
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No because its best to remain humble.

The Papacy has suffered enough pompitude.

Its not a monarchy.

Besides the tiera doesn’t command respect. The Pope should be respected for who he is and not what he wears. His spirtuality, virtue, and position are more than enough reasons.

Though its a symbol of respect, these days it would actually have an adverse effect. The Pope knows this and this is why its been put away. Papa knows best.
 
The Church IS a monarchy, NOT a democracy,
and the pope of Rome IS the VICAR of Christ.
The Tiara isn’t something that should be worn
every day, for pete sake, but it should be used
on special and solemn occasions.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Joab_Anias said:
No because its best to remain humble.

The Papacy has suffered enough pompitude.

Its not a monarchy.

Besides the tiera doesn’t command respect. The Pope should be respected for who he is and not what he wears. His spirtuality, virtue, and position are more than enough reasons.

Though its a symbol of respect, these days it would actually have an adverse effect. The Pope knows this and this is why its been put away. Papa knows best.
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ahh it is a monarchy…the Pope is the monarch of Vatican State, the pope is the Servant of the Servants of God…still gets it in the eye regardless
 
Is the papal tiara needed?
No.
Is it ok to use it?
Why not? It’s symbolic, but it doesn’t do anything for salvation, so this is not something we need to be focusing one.

Seriously people, who cares. I voted that I don’t really care. If they bring it back, that’s nice, it’s a beautiful object, traditional (to an extent), but it’s not needed. The pope can wear a white baseball cap for all I care. We need his guidance so we can live out our lives to glorify God in the teachings of Christ, we don’t need to worry about what is on his head.

I think Pope Benedict XVI looks far cooler with that current white flap on his head anyways :cool:

Here is something to reflect upon:

Pope John Paul II told the congregation at his Inauguration:
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  "The last Pope to be crowned was Paul VI in 1963, but after the solemn coronation ceremony he never used the tiara again and left his Successors free to decide in this regard. Pope John Paul I, whose memory is so vivid in our hearts, did not wish to have the tiara; nor does his Successor wish it today. This is not the time to return to a ceremony and an object considered, wrongly, to be a symbol of the temporal power of the Popes. Our time calls us, urges us, obliges us to gaze on the Lord and immerse ourselves in humble and devout meditation on the mystery of the supreme power of Christ himself."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_Tiara
 
Jaypeeto4 said:
The Church IS a monarchy, NOT a democracy,
and the pope of Rome IS the VICAR of Christ.
The Tiara isn’t something that should be worn
every day, for pete sake, but it should be used
on special and solemn occasions.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
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The Church is the body of Christ. Its neither a monarchy or a democracy in the strictest sense of the words though it has elements of both. The Pope is much more than a monarch and the Magisterium is much more than a democracy. Monarchy’s and democracy’s only attempt to imitate the Church in forms of secular government, not the other way around. Then they seperate God from the process which the Chruch does not which makes it unique.
 
Joab_Anias said:
A monarch doesn’t serve anyone.
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Yea, doesn’t serve any non-divine being. Monarchs in the past (some) have been known to be religious. So infact they do “serve” someone, and that someone happens to be up there.
 
JFonseka said:
Yea, doesn’t serve any non-divine being. Monarchs in the past (some) have been known to be religious. So infact they do “serve” someone, and that someone happens to be up there.
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Well since you put it that way.

The term monarchy tends to leave a bad taste otherwise.
 
Joab_Anias said:
No because its best to remain humble.

The Papacy has suffered enough pompitude.

Its not a monarchy.

Besides the tiera doesn’t command respect. The Pope should be respected for who he is and not what he wears. His spirtuality, virtue, and position are more than enough reasons.

Though its a symbol of respect, these days it would actually have an adverse effect. The Pope knows this and this is why its been put away. Papa knows best.
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This is the way I feel, too.
 
Bring it back. There is no valid reason for its absence. The Pope is Vicar of Christ and Vicar of the Prince of the Apostles. When the papal tiara, the papal oath, and the Mass of Bl John XXIII are restored to their rightful places, the Church will promptly resume success.

Who’s wanting to start a petition? Sign me up.
 
I would, on this very rare occasion, echo the comments of Fr. Andrew Greeley who said, “Nothing is just a symbol.” Symbols speak to greater realities, and in this age of iconoclasm and puritanical starkness, I think we need to recapture symbols of our Catholic heritage, lest we forget them altogether.

The Pope is, in fact, the last absolute monarch in Europe. His triple tiara symbolizes his temporal authority over the Vatican states (now, just the Vatican proper), his spiritual authority, and his moral authority. It is a “trump” over all temporal monarchs, presidents, prime ministers, kings, etc… and it shows that the Pope is not answerable to any earthly authority.

The view that not wearing the tiara as an act of humility does a diservice to the teachings of the Church on the papacy. If it is an outright denial of the Pope’s authority, then you are treading into heresy. If it a mere diminishing of symbols that communicate the reality of the Pope’s authority, then should we be surprised if people, now less aware of his power, begin to forget his primacy? Witness the disobedience that is done in the name of “collegiality of bishops,” of laymen who say, “I will follow my OWN conscience,” of the world rejecting the real power of the Papacy. Yes, this is symptomatic of a greater problem, but removing visual reminders of the Pope’s authority only confirms the reality that the Pope, though by law the leader of the Church, is heading towards a powerlessness that will be crippling. As of right now, the Pope has very little REAL power in the Church (and that is per Vatican curial officials very close to our beloved Pontiff).

I firmly believe that BXVI is in a silent battle to reclaim the helm of the Barque of Peter. The Curial machine is fighting Him - that much is public knowledge. Summorrum Pontificum is one document that took the dissenters by surprise, but many know that His opponents are re-grouping. Summorrum Pontificum was nothing less than a reassertion of the Pope’s primacy of jurisdiction anywhere in the world. Some may have forgotten this. Now this Church teaching is back in the public eye, and BXVI is not ashamed to state the truth.

He is also using the Papal plural (We) in his documents to remind people that when He speaks, it is not just Him, but His office as Vicar of Christ. You can oppose a wayward Bishop all you want (in charity and humility), but the vicar of Christ is a different matter. By acknolwedging his primacy with the Papal plural, he is not being un-humble - he stating the truth.

Finally, even Scripture attests to the reality that humility does not mean denying the truth. Moses, in the Pentateuch, says, “Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth (Num 12:3)” This is not an act of pomp to state what is true.

In short, I think we need to reclaim the symbols of the Papacy so that we will be reminded of the reality of the Papacy. To hide behind the guise of “humility” will end up diminishing the palpable reality of Papal primacy and leave the “Bishop of Rome” a merely titular position.
 
I voted yes. Bring back the fanon, the dalmatics, the papal maniple, the liturgical sandals, and the jewel-encrusted mitres. You know why? Because when I see the Pope next to Eastern Bishops, it’s embarrasing. He is God’s represenative on Earth, not them. They have these fantastic embroidered vestments while the Pope is standing there in basically a tablecloth with a hole in the top.

This

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is better than this…

http://www.congressionalgoldmedal.com/PopeJohnPaul[2].jpg
 
Pope_Noah_I said:
… when I see the Pope next to Eastern Bishops, it’s embarrasing. He is God’s represenative on Earth, not them. They have these fantastic embroidered vestments while the Pope is standing there in basically a tablecloth with a hole in the top.
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LOL!!! Yesssss. Exactly. It is embarrassing.

This:

http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/31757/2002939691405732328_rs.jpg

Or THIS!!:

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/31446/2002979126582914911_rs.jpg

Who looks like they speak for the King of Kings in each photo? The symbols of the office of the Papacy speak to the reality of the Papacy. The symbols are not there to pump up the wearer, they are to edify the observers and silently teach the reality of the awesome powers and duties of the Holy Father.
 
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