Brisbane Archbishop cracks down on Fr. Peter Kennedy

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Fr. Peter Kennedy really needs to start obeying the Church and its bishops. It is ridiculous that he is refusing to obey and he deserves to have his assignment terminated.
 
I remember a quote from Fr. Z. when he read that the neighboring bishop hoped that the archbishop and Fr. Peter could reach middle-ground: “Middle-ground? Like, only do half of the baptisms invalidly?” 🙂
 
babesinarms said:
As much as I totally disagree with Fr. Peter Kennedy’s theology and his outright public display of disregard for church teaching on matters of utmost importance, such as the Trinity, this unfolding saga is being closely watched by many Catholics here in Australia.

As many of you are aware, our Catholicism is very liberal in comparison to America, particularly in Brisbane. What is happening at St. Mary’s is an extreme example of how many Catholics here want the church to become more relevant in this day and age. We have had the likes of history and science help us unearth a great deal about our understanding of the bible and the times in which these people lived there. We now can add psychology to this equation to get a fuller, more rounded understanding of what it means to be human, and therefore a sinner. And in this, we come to understand the message of the salvation that Jesus brought for each individual.

Times are changing. I believe Father Kennedy has gone off the deep end in his understanding of this change, but I can’t help but feel that this extreme has been needed to address the irrelevance of the Church as being pastoral.
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The Church never changes her doctrines, nor can she.

No matter what, things that were sins 2000 years ago are still sins. Truths of the Faith are still true.

God Bless
 
bilop said:
The Church never changes her doctrines, nor can she.

No matter what, things that were sins 2000 years ago are still sins. Truths of the Faith are still true.

God Bless
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You have misquoted me, if in fact you are referring to me. If you cared to look closely, I said the times are changing, not doctrine as you refer to.

I couldn’t agree more on the truth being unchangeable - that is the basis of our faith. What has changed over the years is how that truth is conveyed to different people/churches/societies/countries and time itself.

Blessings to you as well.
 
Layman said:
If you want religion on your terms, become a Protestant.
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But a dear old Irish nun said to me “once a Catholic, always a Catholic” - how right she was! 😃

Terms? - I’m talking pastoral care which should always be on the table.
 
As many of you are aware, our Catholicism is very liberal in comparison to America, particularly in Brisbane. What is happening at St. Mary’s is an extreme example of how many Catholics here want the church to become more relevant in this day and age. We have had the likes of history and science help us unearth a great deal about our understanding of the bible and the times in which these people lived there. We now can add psychology to this equation to get a fuller, more rounded understanding of what it means to be human, and therefore a sinner. And in this, we come to understand the message of the salvation that Jesus brought for each individual.
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These newer understandings have no bearing on the relevance of the Church, nor her agreeable and maternal care for all of her children.

Insofar as these studies in psychology and history reinforce your Catholic faith, they are good. As soon as they lead souls away from the Roman Catholic Church, they are deceitful vanities. In any event, those who will not adhere to the rule of Faith are in no way “needed” and should be removed from their posts in the Church.

At the same time, Catholics should rejoice with Christian charity when those who have strayed are disciplined by the Holy Church. It is only with these medicinal measures that they can learn of their errors and return to the Faith.
 
Miles_Mariae said:
These newer understandings have no bearing on the relevance of the Church, nor her agreeable and maternal care for all of her children.
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Exactly. The Church should never, can never, be ‘pastoral’ or ‘relevant’ at the expense of altering its truths or its fundamental way of doing things.

To modernist eyes Jesus doesn’t look terribly ‘pastoral’ or ‘relevant’ when He whips the moneychangers out of the Temple, nor when He lets people walk away in John 6 who don’t understand what He’s telling them about the Eucharist. Nor when, instead of falling in with the thinking that divorce is ok, He imposes the harsher and more ‘irrelevant’ standard that even LOOKING at a woman lustfully was the moral equivalent of physically comitting adultery with her!
 
Miles Mariae;4801694]These newer understandings have no bearing on the relevance of the Church, nor her agreeable and maternal care for all of her children.
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So just strike education off the list and let us continue to sit in the dark? Why have theologians then?
Insofar as these studies in psychology and history reinforce your Catholic faith, they are good. As soon as they lead souls away from the Roman Catholic Church, they are deceitful vanities. In any event, those who will not adhere to the rule of Faith are in no way “needed” and should be removed from their posts in the Church.
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It was through psychology and history and the secular world that led me back into a deep union with God, unfortunately the Church was no-where to be found and had no answers to give me. Like I said, I am a Catholic who can now more fully appreciate the history and tradition of our Church in a fuller way and can see the more obvious need of relevance in a pastoral manner, in this 21st century.
At the same time, Catholics should rejoice with Christian charity when those who have strayed are disciplined by the Holy Church. It is only with these medicinal measures that they can learn of their errors and return to the Faith.
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Oh, if only they could learn that lesson themselves as well when it comes to the incredible deceit performed by clergy and the ramifications that has had on peoples lives. And yet it has taken the power of the congregation and past Catholics to bring this into the light of day so that it can no longer be conveniently hidden away. The Church can no longer operate with these corrupt ones, the modern age of technology has seen to that. That which has been in the dark will have the light bring them out. Then I will rejoice.

Believe me, I’m all for leadership, but done with a pastoral hand.
Exactly. The Church should never, can never, be ‘pastoral’ or ‘relevant’ at the expense of altering its truths or its fundamental way of doing things.
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*I never said this.
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To modernist eyes Jesus doesn’t look terribly ‘pastoral’ or ‘relevant’ when He whips the moneychangers out of the Temple, nor when He lets people walk away in John 6 who don’t understand what He’s telling them about the Eucharist. Nor when, instead of falling in with the thinking that divorce is ok, He imposes the harsher and more ‘irrelevant’ standard that even LOOKING at a woman lustfully was the moral equivalent of physically comitting adultery with her! LilyM
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*Please read this in the light of what I have said above.
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babesinarms said:
So just strike education off the list and let us continue to sit in the dark? Why have theologians then?
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Education serves a useful purpose when it is done towards the correct end. Nonetheless, the discoveries of academia do not affect the relevance of the Church, as I said. The Church will continue to teach the Faith as handed down from the Apostles regardless of whether it is fashionable. Theologians should investigate and teach Sacred Theology, always in the light of the Church’s Tradition.
It was through psychology and history and the secular world that led me back into a deep union with God, unfortunately the Church was no-where to be found and had no answers to give me. Like I said, I am a Catholic who can now more fully appreciate the history and tradition of our Church in a fuller way and can see the more obvious need of relevance in a pastoral manner, in this 21st century.
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As long as psychology and history lead people to God, who can find fault with them? Certainly not I. I specifically said so in my post, and did not anticipate having to repeat myself. And I will maintain that if teachings of these fields of study ever lead people astray from the Faith, those same teachings are to be condemned.
Oh, if only they could learn that lesson themselves as well when it comes to the incredible deceit performed by clergy and the ramifications that has had on peoples lives. And yet it has taken the power of the congregation and past Catholics to bring this into the light of day so that it can no longer be conveniently hidden away. The Church can no longer operate with these corrupt ones, the modern age of technology has seen to that. That which has been in the dark will have the light bring them out. Then I will rejoice.
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The people should speak if they find that those in power have been scandalous. And when heretics are disciplined by the Holy Church, the people should give thanks. Note how your claim and mine are like two sides of a coin. The voice of the people should be listened to, and the authority of the Church must be obeyed.
Believe me, I’m all for leadership, but done with a pastoral hand.
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The pastoral hand drives away wolves with a rod, and strikes the mouth of the heretic.
 
Miles Mariae
The people should speak if they find that those in power have been scandalous. And when heretics are disciplined by the Holy Church, the people should give thanks. Note how your claim and mine are like two sides of a coin. The voice of the people should be listened to, and the authority of the Church must be obeyed.
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Yes Miles,
I would believe this to be the case here, as frustrating as it can be at times to keep the balance in place. Heresy is certainly alive and well in both camps.
 
A rebel priest at St Marys in Brisbane Australia has been given to boot.

-The priest says he feels betrayed :eek:
-He does have the right to appeal.
-He is consulting with a barister.
-The article does trivilaise things of course.

You can read the article at the link below
abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/19/2496182.htm
 
His bishop gave him the opportunity to comply and obey, but the priest did not. Obedience is an important part of the priesthood. I think in this modern age people sometimes forget that. It is a shame to see what is happening, but I am glad that the bishop is sticking to his guns. Modernism is an evil thing and has corrupted many. This parish priest is no exception. We must pray for him, the parishoners and the good bishop.

Pax.
 
Ha! If you want to find an inclusive, eco-aware, relevant, tolerant-of-other-faiths, friendly, pro social-justice priest these days you’ll have no trouble at all.

If you want to hear a TLM and a sermon on the hard facts of our faith, you have to travel.
 
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