Brisbane Catholic, Anglican archdioceses sign covenant

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The Anglican diocese of Brisbane and the Catholic dioceses of Brisbane and Toowoomba will next week sign a covenant that will strengthen the ecumenical ties between the churches and commemorate a relationship reaching back to the foundations of Queensland.

Anglican Archbishop of Brisbane Phillip Aspinall, and Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby of Brisbane and Bishop William Morris of Toowoomba will be joint signatories to the covenant at a combined act of worship at St Stephen’s Cathedral starting 7.30pm on Friday May 29.

Catholics throughout Brisbane archdiocese have been invited to the historical event known as “A Celebration of Our Common Sesquicentenary and a Signing of the Anglican and Roman Catholic Covenant” .

The event will also mark the 25th anniversary of Archbishop Francis Rush and Anglican Archbishop John Grindrod’s signing of a Common Declaration in support of ecumenical co-operation in St John’s Cathedral on the same date in 1984.

Dean of St Stephen’s Cathedral and member of the covenant’s organising committee Fr Ken Howell said he “vividly remembered being present at this ceremony”.

“All present were filled with hope and optimism for the greater working together of Anglicans and Catholics as a result of the agreement,” Fr Howell said.

Project officer for the archdiocese’s sesquicentenary celebrations Catherine Newell said heads of many major churches throughout Queensland, as well as public dignitaries, have been invited to “this significant ecumenical event which will take place during the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity”.

The covenant, which will be made available along with other documents for study purposes to local Anglican and Catholic parishes, schools and other communities, commits to a range of ongoing ecumenical activities.

Among these is “to celebrate an annual Ecumenical Service of Reconciliation … to be held as near as possible to November 4 (Anglican Roman Catholic Reconciliation Day) and to be rotated around the three cathedrals and the Anglican parishes in Toowoomba”.

Other initiatives include the promotion of an annual joint clergy day for the clergy of the three dioceses to reflect on shared pastoral, social or theological issues; the exploration of possibilities for co-operative use of church plant and resources; and a review and celebration of a re-affirmation of the covenant every three years.

Acknowledging the covenant would not permit the Anglicans and Catholics to do everything together, due to their differences. The signing was nonetheless a cause for celebration and a reason to thank God, Dr Aspinall told Christian Today.

The covenant would be reviewed every three years and be amended to reflect changes facing both churches.

I really dislike this!,The Anglican “Archbishop” is well known as someone who doesnt really hold many christian beliefs…amoungst them he let the heritic John Shelby Spong come and publicly speak at his Cathedral. untop of that he is also know to be activly persucating one of the few Anglo-Catholic (High Church) Parishs in Brisbane into accepting women priest and bulling them via threating to disolve the finicinal trust that operates this paticular parish.

The prob is Arhcbishop Bathersby isnt much better. before the realese of Summorum Pontificum the archbishop restricted the use of Old Mass in his docess…granting the Latin mass community of brisbane (a very large community by the way) to only celebrate the sunday Mass, refusing them permission to celebrate the Christamas Mass’s and feast days, and then he tried on serveal occasions to shut it down alltogether.

added to that the Mass celebrated at his Cathedral is incredialbly liberal with inclusive language ( i remeber one Midnight mass that he called us all “Christian people” about a million times but did not once use he word CATHOLIC).

untop of that there is the 15 year old complaint about the Parish Church of Saint Mary’s, South Brisbane (which has now been resloved…sumwhat) which I and many catholics here firmly belive woul never have been resloved if Rome hadent interviened.

then there is the report of new age nuns in the Archdiocess worshiping a Godesss they belive to be “Sophia” (wisdom)

The Catholic Archbisop and the Anglican Archbishop are 2 peas out of the same pod

something stinks in the Archdiocess of Brisbane…and this “covenant” stinks along with it!
 
Do you know how to use the spell check? I wonder if the Ecumenical efforts in Brisbane win (re) converts to the Mother Church? Anyone? What impact if any did WYD 2009 have downunder?
 
Do you know how to use the spell check? I wonder if the Ecumenical efforts in Brisbane win (re) converts to the Mother Church? Anyone? What impact if any did WYD 2009 have downunder?
I wonder if could be anymore rude…just like a Latin to be all about form and NO Substance!
 
Do you know how to use the spell check? wonder if the Ecumenical efforts in Brisbane win (re) converts to the Mother Church? Anyone? What impact if any did WYD 2009 have downunder?
That was a very rude statement and not a good example of Christian behaviour!.

To answer your point, as a result of the WYD being held in Sydney i returned to the faith. It made me question myself as to why i had rejected the Church in the first place.
 
I am really bored with those Catholic who are adverse to good, positive Christian unity dialogue. I know that some conservatives find it abhorrent that we can grow, share and worship together…what are we so afraid of?…that they are worshipping the same God, that we share a common sonship and daughtership of God? I am puzzled and wonder if it is fear based or law-based?
 
I am really bored with those Catholic who are adverse to good, positive Christian unity dialogue. I know that some conservatives find it abhorrent that we can grow, share and worship together…what are we so afraid of?…that they are worshipping the same God, that we share a common sonship and daughtership of God? I am puzzled and wonder if it is fear based or law-based?
My problem with this sort of thing is that 1. they make it look like something is happening, when nothing real is happening, and 2. I believe that when the Catholic Church seems to be acting in unity with non-Catholic churches, it leads people to believe that it doesn’t matter which church you belong to.

I keep hearing that focusing on what we have in common will lead to reconciliation, but how? If we don’t get down to brass tacks and discuss what *divides *us, there will be no reconciliation.
 
I wonder if could be anymore rude…just like a Latin to be all about form and NO Substance!
I found your part of the original post to be difficult to understand and I normally don’t care at all about typos and misspellings. I do not think this has anything to do with “Latin” versus Eastern–that is plain ridiculous. If your form is so bad that the substance is obscured, maybe it’s time to consider a change.
 
The Archbishop of Brisbane has a reputation as a liberal. He has just had to deal with the atheist priest who destroyed a parish and defied the Church. It was only when Rome intervened that the Archbishop was forced to act.

I see this Anglican agreement package as yet another attempt by Bathersby to undermine the traditional Church. The Anglicans in Brisbane have a reputation of being very slack re the faith.

Bathersby should be concentrating on building up the Catholic Church and undoing some of the harm he has allowed to infiltrate into his Diocese. By all means be polite to the Anglicans but any closer relations while they hold their present view (i.e. very liberal) is not a good idea.
 
I am constantly amazed at the vindictive, hurtful and fear-laden stuff written by so-called conservatives who label and judge people and on at least some occasions havent based their writings on fact but on third or fourth hand non-evidence dreamt up by those who are challenged - how do you know all the stuff you claim as fact - hearsay? and the use of the word “liberal”? - bizarre. I was at the Ang/RC Liturgy and yet those who condemn may not tell you that the Covenant signing was prayful, wonderful and firmly grounded in the ecumenical actions of Paul VI and JPII who actively met with, spoke to and prayed with their (yes, prayed with) Anglican confreres. I guess it often has to do with a sense that seemingly cant cope with change, open-ness or modernity. What is there to fear…creative substance over legal form? Its almost like legalism constantly scanning for a smell or taint of joy and creativity and because its new or uncomfortable they have to condemn, judge and character demean - very unChristian in my book. I know His Grace and he is a fine man of faith who is firmly grounded in his Catholic faith and open to healthy dialogue. Anyone who seeks to say otherwise needs to have a long hard look at their own motivations, perhaps fears and certainly their actions - have they even met him? and note - they can’t even use his ecclesial title just a rude use of a surname alone - very sad!

I am really intrigued with those Catholic who are adverse to good, positive Christian unity dialogue. I know that some conservatives find it abhorrent that we can grow, share and worship together…what are we so afraid of?…that they are worshipping the same God, that we share a common sonship and daughtership of God? I am puzzled and wonder if it is fear based or law-based?"
 
I am constantly amazed at the vindictive, hurtful and fear-laden stuff written by so-called conservatives who label and judge people and on at least some occasions havent based their writings on fact but on third or fourth hand non-evidence dreamt up by those who are challenged - how do you know all the stuff you claim as fact - hearsay? and the use of the word “liberal”? - bizarre. I was at the Ang/RC Liturgy and yet those who condemn may not tell you that the Covenant signing was prayful, wonderful and firmly grounded in the ecumenical actions of Paul VI and JPII who actively met with, spoke to and prayed with their (yes, prayed with) Anglican confreres. I guess it often has to do with a sense that seemingly cant cope with change, open-ness or modernity. What is there to fear…creative substance over legal form? Its almost like legalism constantly scanning for a smell or taint of joy and creativity and because its new or uncomfortable they have to condemn, judge and character demean - very unChristian in my book. I know His Grace and he is a fine man of faith who is firmly grounded in his Catholic faith and open to healthy dialogue. Anyone who seeks to say otherwise needs to have a long hard look at their own motivations, perhaps fears and certainly their actions - have they even met him? and note - they can’t even use his ecclesial title just a rude use of a surname alone - very sad!

I am really intrigued with those Catholic who are adverse to good, positive Christian unity dialogue. I know that some conservatives find it abhorrent that we can grow, share and worship together…what are we so afraid of?…that they are worshipping the same God, that we share a common sonship and daughtership of God? I am puzzled and wonder if it is fear based or law-based?"
“His Grace” as you call him; is a wolf in sheeps clothing! nothing more and nothing less!
 
I would also like to say that I am Not opposed to Ecumincal relations…indeed I’m friends with members of “All Saints Anglican Parish” in brisbane (High Anglican in its theology and practise)

My best mates happen to be the Master of Ceromonies and Altar servers at that paticular Anglican church…however because of their Catholic Theology and their commitment to an All-male Priesthood they are always under attack by the Anglican Archbishop…indeed he is currently trying to disolve the Parish’s Trust (its adminstered by a Trust attached to the goverment…hence why its been able to maintain some independace from the the Archdiocess) so that he can get dirrect control over the parish and force them to accept Broad-church theology and women priests…he is no friend to Catholic minded Anglicans!!! so why would he be be a friend us?

the Catholic archbishop is no better…he too has allowed herasy into his Diocess. he left st mary’s south brisbane to preach herasy from the Pulpit for 10 years!!! yet tried to close down the Latin mass community on many occasions, and when he failed to do that he just restriced it so they could celebrate on sundays only but refused them permission to celebrate feast days like christmas…

The catholic church should be forging ecumincial relations with those seperated christians to whom hold a close theology with our own such as the High Church Anglican’s and those Anglicans in the Continuing Anglican Movment who have left the Mainstream Anglcian communion cause of the women priest/bishop issue…instead were practicly ignoring them and instead choosing to forge relations to those christians who we have little or nothing in common with on a Theological level.

Both these men are anti-catholic and both are wolfs is sheeps clothing! and are decieving Catholics in this Archdiocess…and I’ll be letting every Catholic I know here in brisbane the facts!
 
I am constantly amazed at the vindictive, hurtful and fear-laden stuff written by so-called conservatives who label and judge people and on at least some occasions havent based their writings on fact but on third or fourth hand non-evidence dreamt up by those who are challenged - how do you know all the stuff you claim as fact - hearsay? and the use of the word “liberal”? - bizarre. I was at the Ang/RC Liturgy and yet those who condemn may not tell you that the Covenant signing was prayful, wonderful and firmly grounded in the ecumenical actions of Paul VI and JPII who actively met with, spoke to and prayed with their (yes, prayed with) Anglican confreres. I guess it often has to do with a sense that seemingly cant cope with change, open-ness or modernity. What is there to fear…creative substance over legal form? Its almost like legalism constantly scanning for a smell or taint of joy and creativity and because its new or uncomfortable they have to condemn, judge and character demean - very unChristian in my book. I know His Grace and he is a fine man of faith who is firmly grounded in his Catholic faith and open to healthy dialogue. Anyone who seeks to say otherwise needs to have a long hard look at their own motivations, perhaps fears and certainly their actions - have they even met him? and note - they can’t even use his ecclesial title just a rude use of a surname alone - very sad!

I am really intrigued with those Catholic who are adverse to good, positive Christian unity dialogue. I know that some conservatives find it abhorrent that we can grow, share and worship together…what are we so afraid of?…that they are worshipping the same God, that we share a common sonship and daughtership of God? I am puzzled and wonder if it is fear based or law-based?"
I strongly disagree with most of this post. The Anglicans in Brisbane invited the gross heretic Bishop Spong, who firmly discounts most Christian doctrines, to be a guest of the diocese and to give talks.

Archbishop Bathersby has caused countless suffering to many, many devout Catholics in Brisbane by his refusal to stop gross violations of Church liturgy rules and to stop heterodox and even scandalous teaching from priests.

However, one point made by Clergy_brisbane is entirely correct. It was impolite, in fact, rude of me, to call the Archbishop by just his name without using his title. For this unChristian act I apologise.
 
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