British Catholics and the Queen

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I don’t feel connected that’s, and as London is such a multicultural area, I don’t feel connected to the country as much as I feel connected to Italy which is my background. However for some reason (no idea if it would work) I think London would make a nice indipendant country of its own.
 
“Moreover, we must believe that this God who disposes and rules all things is but one God. This is because human affairs are found to be rightly disposed when many things are subject to the disposition and government of one.”

(The Aquinas Catechism, pg. 12.)

Just as an aside, this is why I am a monarchist and why I believe monarchy to Ben the best earthly system of government.
 
How do you define patriotic?

For me patriotism is not about having squishy feelings about one’s country but about being a law-abiding and productive citizen of your country.

Patriotism and being a good Catholic are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
Where do you draw the line? Most of us posting on this forum are born into relative wealth and privilege compared to much of the world. It’s not a sin to be wealthy. The royals are very involved with charity.
 
It’s not a sin but it’s wrong to expect the public to pay for you
 
Sure they do. Let’s put aside charitable works or trips abroad to improve and maintain goodwill / relations with different states… take something as simple as “the royal wedding” (Duke and Duchess of Sussex last spring)… the amount of tourist income generated for the local economy around Windsor was staggering. That helps everyone. BIG TIME.
I see all the pomp and ceremony (and astronomical costs) associated with the US President, and I have to ask why you and other anti-monarchists think a republic is inherently better…?

Canada will become another heartless, sterile, post-enlightenment republic over my dead body… God save the Queen.
 
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I am literally just about to go to mass so will reply later best wishes x
 
Dan_Defender said:
Apparently there are a lot of monarchists in the UK and throughout the Commonwealth… I was surprised when they did the referendum in Australia and most people voted to remain British subjects
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Not British subjects. They just voted to retain the Queen of Australia, and her heirs, as head of state. Australians are Australian citizens, not British subjects.
 
To add to PickyPicky’s response, there are no ties (beyond that of allies) between the Canadian and British government, and haven’t been since the Constitution Act of 1982. Elizabeth II is legally Queen of Canada here. It is a distinct role from that of Queen of the United Kingdom.
 
ok thanks for the correction. I still find it shocking that they want to retain her as head of state, but that is just me.
 
I’ll take Elizabeth II over a Canadian Trump any day. I’m not a big fan of our Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, but at the end of the day he’s just another civil servant, without the pomp and circumstance of a president, as he’s not chief of state.
 
Yep, I can understand the reaction. I’m happy to have the Queen of the UK as my head of state but I can quite understand why others would disagree, and I doubt the Australians will stick with their decision for many more years.
 
Cardinal Hume left hospital 15 days before his death to receive the Order of Merit from the Queen at Buckingham Palace.

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The Queen, though Supreme Governor of the Church of England, is reputed to have dubbed Basil Hume “My Cardinal”. She went to Vespers at his cathedral, and chose him to become one of the 24 members of the Order of Merit; he made a great effort to receive the honour from her at Buckingham Palace as his fatal illness grew worse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/religion-obituaries/5497073/Cardinal-Basil-Hume-OM.html
 
Salmonslayer said:
Exactly. Republics are not the answer to all the ills.
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Ben Franklin was approached by a grand Philadelphia lady as the Constitutional Convention ended this day in 1787. Have you given us a monarchy or a republic, she asked the oldest of the Founding Fathers. “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it,” he said.
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Republics don’t have a long track record of stability across the centuries, for sure.

The oldest extant republics-- San Marino (population 33k - since AD 300? 500? 700?), Switzerland (pop 8.5 million - since 1648), the United States (pop 346 million - since 1783). Everything else is 19th century or later-- meaning the next three oldest (Paraguay - 1811, Argentina - 1816, and Chile - 1818) have just barely celebrated their bicentennials.
 
The Queen serves many millions of people.
She is a Christian and behaves like one.
She is an example to all and a much loved jewel in the crown of Britain.

She has never lived an ordinary life as we have. Her movements are restricted, her comments are restricted, she lives in a gilded cage.

When the hierarchy is gone what replaces it?
She is a cornerstone of our country and is world renowned, her Christian values touch millions of minds across the planet. She is our head of state.
She serves us and God imo.
 
The Queen with Cardinal Hume and ecumenical guests during her historical attendance at Vespers in Westminster Cathedral during 1995 .

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Dan_Defender said:
Apparently there are a lot of monarchists in the UK and throughout the Commonwealth… I was surprised when they did the referendum in Australia and most people voted to remain British subjects!
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They did not. They are not ‘British subjects’. You are talking about the Queen of Australia. She is also Queen of other places.
 
PickyPicky said:
Yep, I can understand the reaction. I’m happy to have the Queen of the UK as my head of state but I can quite understand why others would disagree, and I doubt the Australians will stick with their decision for many more years.
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The Queen of Australia is your queen, not ‘the Queen of the UK’. Although the same person is queen of each.
 
Dan_Defender said:
Apparently there are a lot of monarchists in the UK and throughout the Commonwealth… I was surprised when they did the referendum in Australia and most people voted to remain British subjects!
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To be fair the Scottish people have done the same.
 
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