British Catholics and the Queen

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I’ve heard that she’s come under fire for delivering her Christmas message with a golden piano in the background.
 
I believe in the second form of the intercessions in the Ordinariate Liturgy, the sovereign of England is also prayed for.
 
Don’t the gospels trace the lineage of Jesus (the Messiah) back to King David…through his adopted father Joseph…I have read that some people believe that the British throne is a direct continuation from King David whose throne God promised would last forever…or something like that
 
semper_catholicus said:
I’ve heard that she’s come under fire for delivering her Christmas message with a golden piano in the background.
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As she went off to church on Christmas Day I doubt Her Majesty would be unduly concerned .
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At least , in the Queen, we have a Head of State who is openly and unashamedly Christian (and to be fair to our Prime Minister, so too is she). In a country like the UK where Christianity seems to being actively pushed out of public life, the openly Christian witness of the Queen is something to be applauded.
 
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Brendan_64 said:
In a country like the UK where Christianity seems to being actively pushed out of public life […]
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Except that we have a national religion, a national church established by law, a head of state who is governor of that established church, bishops of that established church guaranteed places In Parliament, key national events and ceremonies conducted by priests of that established church … must I go on?
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
Who made that agreement? Sounds like you weren’t involved.
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This is the case for most things. We all have systems and structures imposed on us that we never agreed to. The interesting question is whether we have a right to thrown them off.
halogirl said:
Why should my tax money go to millionaires who were born millionaires ?
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I don’t know of any political system where the rich don’t get richer through the state. Concerning this it can only be to a greater or lesser extent.
Sarcelle said:
I get irritated when Texans claim that their state was the only state that was an independent country before it became a state.
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All the original thirteen colonies were free and independent states when they so declared that. They acted as a confederation from that point on until 1861 when the federal government unilaterally determined, and through violence and bloodshed enforced, that the states were no longer sovereign.
 
twf said:
Even in the late 18th century, at the time of the American Revolution, it is my understanding that the UK was more of an oligarchy than a true monarchy.
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From what I understand as you say by the time of the rebellion the king was not as powerful. But monarchy in reality, like all forms of government, is one where typically many few people hold power.

Government is always a system where the ruled outnumber the rulers. Somehow a minority exercises control over a majority. For a monarchy to have absolute, unquestioned power relies on everyone else in the kingdom going along no matter what. This is rare. Dictators like Joseph Stalin are more of an absolute monarch than the King of England was. This seems to only be achievable by extreme violence and a system where anyone else in power has to fear constantly for his life.
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Even during the reign of Queen Victoria (19th century), I think it was more or less unthinkable for the monarch to refuse to give Royal Assent to legislation passed by Parliament (not to say that the monarch didn’t exercise real influence as well).
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This is my understanding. Much praise has been said of Queen Elizabeth II but she has consented to many horrible things, including the abortion act of parliament.
 
Didn’t know that.

Thanks for the history lesson. We learn something new everyday.
 
Rob2 said:
“that the cause which binds together my peoples and our gallant and faithful Allies is the cause of Christian civilisation.”
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Christianity is indeed the pillar of western civilization.
 
exnihilo said:
All the original thirteen colonies were free and independent states when they so declared that. They acted as a confederation from that point on until 1861 when the federal government unilaterally determined, and through violence and bloodshed enforced, that the states were no longer sovereign.
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You could spill a lot of ink explaining why this “the South was right!” nonsense is farcical from a legal perspective, but it’s more fun to say “vae victis.” 😗
 
As an American, I can certainly understand your feelings. As I said earlier, I think any Brit who wants to abolish the monarchy for a republic is nuts. I am not opposed to republics in general, and am actually quite proud of ours (despite its many flaws). But as I said earlier, republics don’t come cheap and often fail. You guys have a system that works, you should be thankful and proud of it… I am certainly found of your system, and of your current queen. And I consider her father to be a true hero of western civilization. Not a bad 80 year run at all.
 
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I admire her father too. He was put in an unenviable position because of the selfish actions of his brother, the Prince of Wales.

In spite of that, he tried and did his best.
 
exnihilo said:
All the original thirteen colonies were free and independent states when they so declared that.
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True dat.
exnihilo said:
They acted as a confederation from that point on until 1861 when the federal government unilaterally determined, and through violence and bloodshed enforced, that the states were no longer sovereign.
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Except that it was the Southern states who unilaterally seceded and violently took federal property and assets when they did so all because they lost a legitimate and fairly held election—held according to the rules of the Constitution they all acceded to and their elected officials pledged to defend. Not to mention, the Southern states had been using violence and bloodshed for hundreds of years to enforce slavery and had no problem using the idea of nationalism to force Northern states to return fugitive slaves.
 
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It’s not ok with me that someone should be born into privilege AND receive public money as a result of it, whilst the public has no choice in it and I will never accept that as long as I live. I have had my say and I am now muting the thread.
 
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