British Catholics and the Queen

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Apparently there was an agreement a very long time ago that British Catholics would be loyal to the Queen and be patriotic towards England but in spiritual matters they would be loyal to the Vatican, tone honest I REALLY don’t like having a Queen and I’m not that patriotic towards England. Are these views ok or do they violate that agreement?
 
Who made that agreement? Sounds like you weren’t involved. 😀

I’m one of those folks where fellow Americans would say I’m not patriotic (I disagree), but it’s due to personal differences about outward displays. So unless you’re meeting the Queen, it’s probably ok to have your own opinion and not curtsy every time her name is said.
 
Back in the day, Catholicism = treason against the government. If you read some of the accounts in Elizabethan times, they might describe a priest being executed— but describe him as being dressed like a gentleman. So the emphasis is on, “He’s being executed for his politics” rather than our perception of “He’s being executed for his religion.” The Sacrament of Confession was perceived as a “protected” way for people to discuss sedition and thereby something to crunch down upon-- rather than as a sacrament.

So in order to try and draw a distinguishing line to say, “This is purely religious, and not a reflection of politics”, it was natural to stress one’s allegiance to the Crown as the head of the earthly government— but to stress one’s allegiance to the Kingdom of God above all else.
 
But does the agreement mean I have to support the monarchy and be patriotic towards Britain?
 
Oh my gosh thank you !! I’m same as you, also from the UK. I can’t as a Christian stand by and say that it’s ok for someone to be born into privilege and have the taxpayers pay for your extravagant lifestyle. I seem to be in a minority amongst other believers on this . Henry the 8th singlehandedly created a schism. I don’t wish any ill on the queen or family and indeed I think she is a good example of a Christian but the institution needs to go, yesterday.
 
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This is funny, becuase I’m Canadian and I REALLY like having the Queen as the head of state (even though it’s mostly a symbolic role) and I REALLY like being patriotism and nationalism.

(In case you couldn’t tell by my profile pic, I’m a hardcore monarchist)
 
I mean I’m patriotic but not towards England, I have Italian background which I am patriotic towards
 
I’m patriotic too but Jesus the king of kings was a servant and He had no royal palace on earth. Why should I pay for their lifestyle ? Part of my tax goes, without my choice, towards a body of individuals that do not care less about me and do nothing for me in return
 
My thing is just the historic rationale behind that mindset.

If you’re a British subject, then “subject/monarch” is a legal relationship between two individuals.

If you’re a citizen of another country living on British soil, then your legal relationship is different.

I have Italian background as well— but it doesn’t make me not-an-American.
 
My passport says citizen not subject. Sorry it just boils my blood.
 
There was famously a man who prided himself on being able to make a joke on any subject at all. He called to the crowd and asked them to test his skill.

One man shouted “the Queen.” He shouted back “The Queen is not a subject.”
 
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Queen Elizabeth has been Queen for 66 years, 318 days .

No head of state anywhere can match the duty and service she has given to her country .

God bless her .



 
Apparently there are a lot of monarchists in the UK and throughout the Commonwealth… I was surprised when they did the referendum in Australia and most people voted to remain British subjects!
 
There’s nothing unchristian about it. The Church long supported monarchy. While technically a Protestant ceremony today, the coronation ritual is deeply Catholic in its roots - especially the most solemn moment when the new king or queen is anointed with the sacred chrism.
Regarding tax payer costs, yes there is an annual government grant but the Queen also has her own significant sources of income and voluntarily pays taxes. Regardless, the tourist income generated for the economy can’t be understated.

As a Canadian, living in a country where no elected politician would ever utter the “G” word (God) let alone the name of Christ… I can’t begin to say how much I appreciate that our chief of state, the Queen, preaches Christ during her annual Christmas message: “let’s put the Christ back in Christmas”. In America politicians are expected to say “God bless America.” If a Canadian politician said something similar he would be lynched by an angry secular mob faster than you can blink.
 
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Apparently there was an agreement a very long time ago that British Catholics would be loyal to the Queen and be patriotic towards England but in spiritual matters they would be loyal to the Vatican, tone honest I REALLY don’t like having a Queen and I’m not that patriotic towards England. Are these views ok or do they violate that agreement?
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You are concerned about an agreement based on something you heard. You have no details as to whether it exists or not, what it says, who it was between, what year it was made, or any context at all.

And yet you are concerned enough to post and ask about it. Michael, this is your ongoing scruples problem taking hold and fixating on some random item.

Talk to your pastor about your scruples.
 
I think she’s a good example as a Christian but surely it’s wrong that for example people who are also Christians work down mines and struggle to make ends meet whereas they are BORN into privilege and have opportunities other children will never have. People here are living off food banks sorry I don’t agree with it.
 
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We are to support the poorest and not the richest. Why should my tax money go to millionaires who were born millionaires ? Agree to disagree
 
And so she should. Still doesn’t mean there should be a monarchy. Not knocking her as an individual
 
And after the hard Brexit things could get worse for the average Joe not for the royal family, in my opinion.
 
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