British Member of Parliament Lambasted for Defending Church Teaching on Abortion and Gay Marriage

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In the face of fiery opposition during a television interview, this British politician repeatedly insisted that he follows Catholic teaching on abortion and same-sex marriage. An upcoming political figure, there has been talk that he could become the prime minister of the U.K. His remarks have received widespread attention in the U.K.–and as can be imagined he has been attacked for this.
 
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From the article: “Fellow Tory MP Margot James derided his views as “utterly abhorrent” and Former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith said it could be a “tipping point” in Rees-Mogg’s career.”

The latter point might be true, but the former? I am guessing the “abhorrence” is being attached to the denying of women a right to abort their child. I note that whenever I’ve heard a (Catholic) politician say anything opposed to fulsome support for abortion rights, it is always quickly followed by a commitment not to pursue any legislative action opposing the status quo.
 
Well abortion remains a conscience issue in the UK parliament, not a whipped one so I imagine Rees-Mogg will vote his conscience on this issue should it come up. What he is unlikely to do is table any legislation which is a slightly different thing.
 
Can anyone explain why a Catholic legislator would seek to deny gay people the right to marry while not at the same time seeking to abolish legal marriage for divorced people for the sake of consistency? Why not seek a law against all invalid marriage?
 
FiveLinden said:
Can anyone explain why a Catholic legislator would seek to deny gay people the right to marry while not at the same time seeking to abolish legal marriage for divorced people for the sake of consistency? Why not seek a law against all invalid marriage?
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You’d have to ask the individual concerned. But it strikes me that reasons to think marriage might be specific to “man + woman” are not specifically religious in nature. I do agree that denying marriage to the divorced would very likely be motivated by religious considerations, but appeal to religious belief does not seem to be necessary in the case of same sex relationships.
 
I don’t get that. The argument here is not whether homosexual acts breach natural law in a way that heterosexual acts do not. The argument is about whether the state should provide the same rights and protections for invalidly-married heterosexual couples as they do for validly married couples.
 
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I don’t get that. The argument here is not whether homosexual acts breach natural law in a way that heterosexual acts do not. The argument is about whether the state should provide the same rights and protections for invalidly-married heterosexual couples as they do for validly married couples.
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I can’t see a reason for the State to deny marriage to a man and a woman because one of them is divorced. What I don’t get is why the State offers marriage to 2 men in a sexual relationship, but not (say) brothers wanting the same legal rights and protections.
 
I think Rees-Mogg deserves great respect for refusing to be pressured by Piers Morgan. Morgan wanted a negative sound bite because he knows that it would destroy Rees-Mogg’s chances of becoming leader. Morgan even mentioned Tim Farron during the interview; Farron was forced to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats for his Christian beliefs. It appears to me that British politics are becoming more anti-Christian as time goes on.
 
Interesting to note that Jacob Rees-Mogg is quite devout, and attends the TLM regularly. I don’t understand the public controversy, because it is very hypocritical.

The public is more keen on accepting and inviting, praising and celebrating a faith which demands the death of active homosexuals, or really anyone with same-sex desires.The public accepts a religion that was founded by a mass murderer, and obliges a good number of women to cover their body from head to heel often without choice. Islam is mightily opposed to gay marriage, abortion in most cases, and freedom of thought and basic, libertarian (classically liberal) positions of freedom.

Yet a member of England’s historical (true) faith, who holds to the teachings that the official Church of England has traditionally held up until (as a benchmark) the 1930’s Lambeth Conference. An MP, under the Conservative label, is a true conservative and it comes as a shock to the modern, ignorant and secularized British public. What irony and hypocrisy, what sort of lunacy this upset is.

We can admit a religion of violence, yet one politician publicly declares his faith in the Church yet never alludes to letting it interfere with his politics - and Sadiq Khan can do willy nilly all he wants.
 
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An MP, under the Conservative label, is a true conservative and it comes as a shock to the modern, ignorant and secularized British public.
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This is what I couldn’t understand. Jacob is a true Tory - one of the few left - and yet people react with surprise that he expresses Tory views. The link between the Tories and Christianity used to be very strong; the Church of England used to be called the Conservative Party at prayer. How things have changed since the days of Margaret Thatcher!
 
Yes indeed! How they have! We ought to be concerned. We don’t need another ‘Labour Lite’ as the Lib Dems have become, though the Lib Dems have never been in my good books.
 
LoyalViews said:
Yes indeed! How they have! We ought to be concerned. We don’t need another ‘Labour Lite’ as the Lib Dems have become, though the Lib Dems have never been in my good books
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I considered voting for the Lib Dems in the last general election because Labour promised (without any mandate) to make abortion legal in Northern Ireland; however, I couldn’t because, as you said, Lib Dems have never been any good.

The Tories would be the most obvious choice for Christians but they’ve gone off the rails; they were the Party who legalised so-called gay marriage and then had the audacity to claim that this was a conservative thing to do! I’d vote Conservative if Rees-Mogg becomes leader because it’s important to elect Godly politicians. Hopefully he’ll be selected and the Conservative Party will return to its traditional Christian ethos.
 
I agree with you 10000%. I’m a member of the Tories, but I reconsidered that when they voted for SSM.

Any consideration for UKIP?
 
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Any consideration for UKIP?
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I like UKIP because they’re essentially a Thatcherite splinter group from the Conservatives.

In my opinion, they have potential to become the real conservative voice in British politics; however, they’re a bit of a single issue party and that’s a shame. I agree with Peter Hitchens: the UK needs a new genuinely Conservative party. Maybe UKIP can be the foundation.
 
Not favoring the killing of unborn babies and not supporting non-marital marriage is now “utterly abhorrent” in the UK?
 
JimG said:
Not favoring the killing of unborn babies and not supporting non-marital marriage is now “utterly abhorrent” in the UK?
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Yes. My country is now anti-Christian and has lost it’s moral compass. It’s ironic considering that England is still officially a Christian country; we have an established Church and Bishops sit in our legislature (House of Lords).
 
Now we have the rising Mosque of Merseyside competing with the established Church and it seems to be winning.

What an unfortunate state of … despair that the Church of England has fallen to, all in the name of relevancy. The Vicar of Dibley runs the show now, and as a result, the original orthodoxy of the established church is now just water under the bridge, diluted with bleach!

Jacob is our only hope at this point.
 
Can you reference (eg. newspaper articles) any changes - if any - that have occurred in education, be it sex education or otherwise?
 
It’s interesting to see this new tactic being proposed to be ‘relevant’:
A senior Anglican academic is calling on the Church of England not to appoint any ‘traditionalists’ – those opposed to women priests – until a third of all bishops are women.

Warning the Church is damaging ‘its public witness and Christian credibility’ by promoting those who oppose female ordination, Prof Martyn Percy, Dean of Christ Church, Oxford, says the CofE ‘needs to embrace equality unequivocally’.

Calling on the Archbishop of Canterbury to aim for 50 per cent female bishops in the next 20 years, he says the Church is ‘the public’s spiritual body and so needs to correspond to the very best standards in public life’.
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anglicanmainstream.org

Ban conservative bishops until we have gender equality, Church told - Anglican Mainstream

by Harry Farley, Christian Today: A senior Anglican academic is calling on the Church of England not to appoint any ‘traditionalists’ – those opposed to women priests – until a third of all bishops are women. Warning the Church is damaging ‘its public witness and Christian credibility’ by...
anglicanmainstream.org anglicanmainstream.org

Also worth reading:

ashenden.org

The Church of England will die unless we read the Bible…..

As a new survey shows 60% of people in the Church of England “never” read the Bible, Gavin Ashenden says its time for the CofE’s leaders to step up I’ve just come back from …
ashenden.org ashenden.org
 
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