Brittany Maynard's Death

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I agree with you on the concept of redemptive suffering and grace. That is because I am a Christian.

However how would you convince an atheist on the concept of suffering being good?
That’s the difficult part. How do you convince someone who believes in nothingness after life. No redemption, no salvation, no consequence or that morality is relative. Euthanasia in my faith is wrong because it’s not my life to take but to someone who thinks physical existence is all there is it’s nearly impossible to convince them otherwise. That’s why atheism is so damaging to Christian principles.
 
Hello Et Cetera.
First of all, it’s no one’s job here to judge this poor woman. You have no idea what she went through in her final months or how frightening and painful her condition was. It was her life, not yours. She did not commit suicide is the normal sense of the word. She hastened the inevitable in order to end her suffering sooner. She was not going to be healed. She had a terminal illness. But to all who have the gall to condemn her decision, let me ask: What would have been gained by prolonging her suffering? How would it have benefitted her? Why is it your business? How would her living another few weeks or months in pain and misery have benefitted you?

It wouldn’t have. It’s not up to you to judge, so come down from the high horse. You’re not gods, you’re not Brittany Maynard, and you’re not her family members.
Death comes to all human beings and for most it is hard, some very hard. Brittany Maynard is no exception to the human condition. no one is suggesting that her suffering be made worse. The Church herself states clearly that death must be accepted naturally and anything done to hasten it is mortally sinful. It is also taught to us that taking means to prolong life if not extreme or hurtful to another, is okay too. We are expected to do as much as we can to deal with illness and yes, CARRY THE CROSS. Not exceptions. It is all our business. It is the Church’s business.

Glenda
 
Hello Sarcelle.
I agree with you on the concept of redemptive suffering and grace. That is because I am a Christian.

However how would you convince an atheist on the concept of suffering being good?
How? You tell them the Truth and trust the convincing part to the Holy Spirit. He does after all, use whatever means we provide Him with. The trick is to given Him the opportunity by speaking up in Truth whenever you get the chance. I’m sure that this gal got talked to by more than one person about her choices and the Truth about what could possibly happen to her soul when she made a daily news event out of all of it. She opened the door and I’m sure more than one Christian got a Word in edgewise for God. She chose not to listen. This morning on the radio show I listen to, the topic was this and the gal talk show host was speculating about the apparent wavering that gave some hope that our prayers on her behalf were having an effect. This was when she made an announcement that she wasn’t sure if the time was yet and it looked like she might change her mind. I kinda thought that Ms. Maynard and her family were afraid that if they didn’t make it appear that she might change her mind, that it would insure that no one would show up on the stated date to try and stop her. That is what I thought, but then again I sometimes have a skeptical mind.

Glenda
 
What we fail to understand is that our life is a gift. Our body, the temporary temple of our soul, does not belong to us…it belongs to God.
 
What we fail to understand is that our life is a gift. Our body, the temporary temple of our soul, does not belong to us…it belongs to God.
EXACTLY!!! Point missed by Ms. Maynard and all those who think they have more rights than God. No pun intended.

Glenda
 
EXACTLY!!! Point missed by Ms. Maynard and all those who think they have more rights than God. No pun intended.

Glenda
Yes but what made her change her mind. On Oct 29 she was going to postpone the suicide. Suddenly she decides to go through with it on Nov. 1. It sounds very suspicious.

“I still feel good enough and I still have enough joy and I still laugh and smile with my family and friends enough that it doesn’t seem like the right time right now,” she said in a video on her website The Brittany Maynard fund posted on Oct. 29.
 
Yes but what made her change her mind. On Oct 31st she was going to postpone the suicide. See my post above. Suddenly she decides to go through with it on Nov. 1. It sounds very suspicious.
I suspect just one more blasphemy against the sacraments. In this case, Euthanasia is a blasphemy against the Anointing of The Sick which strengthens us in sickness and prepares us to meet death with confidence. Its sacramental grace comforts us in our our sufferings, by supporting us in any final temptations that may assail us, enables us to face eternity unafraid.

Similarly, abortion is a blasphemy against the Eucharist. In the Eucharist, Jesus says this is my body…in abortion, the woman says, “No, this is my body and so is that of my unborn child”…the devil is diabolical in his attack on each of our fountains of grace.
 
Ira Byock, chief medical officer of the Institute for Human Caring of Providence Health and Services, spoke loudly against the practice of assisted suicide.
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"'When doctor-induced death becomes an accepted response to the suffering of dying people, logical extensions grease the slippery slope,' he wrote in a New York Times op-ed. He cited statistics in Holland, where the practice is permitted, that claim more than 40 people sought and received doctor-assisted death for depression and other mental disorders. 'Even the psychiatrist who began this practice in the 90′s recently declared the situation had gone "off the rails."

"'Moral outrage is appropriate and needed to fix the sorry state of dying in America. Legalizing assisted suicide fixes nothing. The principle that doctors must not kill patients stands.'"
 
EXACTLY!!! Point missed by Ms. Maynard and all those who think they have more rights than God. No pun intended.

Glenda
I was an atheist when I was Ms. Maynard’s age.

I did not think then that I had more rights than God. God,.for me, simply did not exist.
 
Yes but what made her change her mind. On Oct 29 she was going to postpone the suicide. Suddenly she decides to go through with it on Nov. 1. It sounds very suspicious.

“I still feel good enough and I still have enough joy and I still laugh and smile with my family and friends enough that it doesn’t seem like the right time right now,” she said in a video on her website The Brittany Maynard fund posted on Oct. 29.
In my post above, I mentioned that I had read that she had very recently had one or two major seizures. That may well have contributed to her decision.
 
In my post above, I mentioned that I had read that she had very recently had one or two major seizures. That may well have contributed to her decision.
That quickly? From 10/29 to 11/1? I don’t think so.
 
I’m a bit of a wimp, I know, but just being in mild pain, like a stiff neck, a cold or, like today, a toothache, I begin to pray to God that He would take me heaven. I’m not suicidal, but I get the sense that I may very will consider suicide if I was in Maynard’s situation. Moreover, I was an atheist most of my life during which I was very pro-euthanasia. Although I do not any longer endorse euthanasia, I understand what Maynard did, and I pray for her. I tremble at the thought of me myself ever having to make that choice. Did she have a human right to end her life? I do not know, and I do not argue one way or the other, but I pray for these types types of people, and I trust God will transform this type of evil into something good.

LOVE! ❤️
 
Yes but what made her change her mind. On Oct 29 she was going to postpone the suicide. Suddenly she decides to go through with it on Nov. 1. It sounds very suspicious.

“I still feel good enough and I still have enough joy and I still laugh and smile with my family and friends enough that it doesn’t seem like the right time right now,” she said in a video on her website The Brittany Maynard fund posted on Oct. 29.
I wonder if someone goaded her or forced to commit suicide???:eek:

I don’t think anyone knows for sure except maybe close family members. I can think of two possibilities:
  1. She lied when making these statements just to get people off her back, so she could kill herself without so much attention.
  2. After cancelling the date, several commenters believed she announced a date she never intended to follow through with, just to get free attention and donations. This sentiment in the public maybe got to her, and she felt she had to go through with it maintain her “integrity”.
 
I’m a bit of a wimp, I know, but just being in mild pain, like a stiff neck, a cold or, like today, a toothache, I begin to pray to God that He would take me heaven. I’m not suicidal, but I get the sense that I may very will consider suicide if I was in Maynard’s situation. Moreover, I was an atheist most of my life during which I was very pro-euthanasia. Although I do not any longer endorse euthanasia, I understand what Maynard did, and I pray for her. I tremble at the thought of me myself ever having to make that choice. Did she have a human right to end her life? I do not know, and I do not argue one way or the other, but I pray for these types types of people, and I trust God will transform this type of evil into something good.

LOVE! ❤️
I hear you. I used to be atheist as well,and very pro euthanasia. I used to view people who were anti euthanasia as evil sadists.

I too pray that I do not face that choice as well.

As we say in the Lord’s Prayer,

Do not lead us to the test
 
If I were not a Catholic or some other faith that disapproved taking one’s own life, I would be greatly tempted. By this I’m not saying she was right, but then I don’t know what she believed.

I think the tragedy of this is that she was not Catholic and then suffer thru to the end for the sake of her savior. For this could well have paid for her purgatory as well as others. And it seems to be a common feeling that nothing in this life that we suffer would ever equal that of purgatory. The golden end is really a reward to those who understand it properly, and can be a wonderful blessing and last opportunity before going home.

May the gentle savior give her peace.
Hi fred,

I wish that I could remember where I read about this, but I remember reading something about Purgatory, and that is that the worst suffering on Earth is not equal to the suffering that takes place in Purgatory.

I have read too, that we can offer our sufferings here on Earth, to help make up for time spent in Purgatory.
 
Another sad example of the fact that in our current society, the word that’s missing from the ultimate politically-correct phrase, “right to choose,” is the word “death.” And yet the media perpetuates the idea that in suicide there is dignity.
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 As always the media have avoided the real word: she killed herself. She didn't 'choose death';  even 'took her own life ' is euphemistic. When the true word is used - killing or murder- then people squirm. They wouldn't employ the imprecise terms if they didn't want to hid we the reality.
And as ever we must wonder exactly how much her Spouse and family said in the course of all this. If they all ‘supported’ her then they are equally guilty of murder.
 
…She did not commit suicide is the normal sense of the word. She hastened the inevitable in order to end her suffering sooner…
The Intention that gave rise to her act (and that of any who may have assisted) was we presume the good intention of easing suffering. But the act chosen was the intrinsic evil of suicide.

A good Intention cannot make an intrinsically evil act moral.

None of that detracts from my sympathy for her predicament. None of us knows how we would deal with similar circumstances, but we can know what is right.
 
Hello Christine.
Yes but what made her change her mind. On Oct 29 she was going to postpone the suicide. Suddenly she decides to go through with it on Nov. 1. It sounds very suspicious.

“I still feel good enough and I still have enough joy and I still laugh and smile with my family and friends enough that it doesn’t seem like the right time right now,” she said in a video on her website The Brittany Maynard fund posted on Oct. 29.
Yes, you’re right. It did seem very fishy. It was discussed as I said, by Ms. Tomeo on her radio show and she said she thought she had wavered and that she got pushed into the act by those who had jumped on the band wagon with her. I don’t think that. I think she only stated that perhaps she would change the date to prevent her home from being descended upon by press and thrill seekers and all kinds of various persons, both for and against the issue. I think she stated that so no one would show up on the day to stop her. But of course, we will never know. It is a huge tragedy. It will probably be one of many such things. And who knows? Along with gay marriage, euthanasia may be legalized in our land. Who knows how much lower we go as a country before the bottom gets hit and we can start rebuilding?

Glenda
 
Hello Christine.

Yes, you’re right. It did seem very fishy. It was discussed as I said, by Ms. Tomeo on her radio show and she said she thought she had wavered and that she got pushed into the act by those who had jumped on the band wagon with her. I don’t think that. I think she only stated that perhaps she would change the date to prevent her home from being descended upon by press and thrill seekers and all kinds of various persons, both for and against the issue. I think she stated that so no one would show up on the day to stop her. But of course, we will never know. It is a huge tragedy. It will probably be one of many such things. And who knows? Along with gay marriage, euthanasia may be legalized in our land. Who knows how much lower we go as a country before the bottom gets hit and we can start rebuilding?Glenda
Supposing someone profits from her death - insurance policy? Well, maybe I’m wrong, but it sure would make a good story!

Anyway euthanasia is completely wrong. Doctors are supposed to save lives, not take them!
 
Yes but what made her change her mind. On Oct 29 she was going to postpone the suicide. Suddenly she decides to go through with it on Nov. 1. It sounds very suspicious.

“I still feel good enough and I still have enough joy and I still laugh and smile with my family and friends enough that it doesn’t seem like the right time right now,” she said in a video on her website The Brittany Maynard fund posted on Oct. 29.
This is pure speculation, but I imagine it is possible that she simply stated that she was considering postponing things to reduce the amount of scrutiny she was under by the media. As the day approached, I can only imagine she was getting more and more phone calls when what she would have wanted to do is spend her final moments in private with her family. Saying that she was going to push it back would have given her more space on the actual day.

Or maybe she just changed her mind again. 🤷
 
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