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Liberalsaved
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Longevity common in marriages? I must have missed something. Oh wait. It’s you comparing a partnership to a marriage. Here’s another way to look at it; allow them to get married and the longevity will rise.
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gilliam
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I have seen no evidence of that. Can you provide statistics supporting that?
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Liberalsaved
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Of course not. Because they aren’t allowed to get married. I’d use the stats for heterosexual marriage, but I’m afraid they aren’t that impressive, either.
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gilliam
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Homosexuals have been allowed to marry or have ‘licences’ of one sort or another in a number of countries and States for awhile now. If you have any statistics supporting your claim that a civil ceremony will somehow make the extremely low numbers of monogamous homosexual relationships somehow sky rocket to match the numbers we have in heterosexual marriages, I am all eyes and ears. Otherwise you are simply making noise to no avail.
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Liberalsaved
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Your stats are questionable as well, for a different reason; you think that a violation of your specific moral beleif in monogamy is a good reason to restrict what these people can do.
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gilliam
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I don’t follow what you are trying to say. As a Catholic and knowing what Church teaching is on faith and morals (which has never changed and will never change). What, exactly, are you trying to say?
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Liberalsaved
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I’m trying to say, you have no right. They aren’t hurting you. There are plenty of countries out there where you can go to hold it over people you disagree with, to legislate your beleifs into their laws. America isn’t one of them.
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gilliam
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Back up here. Are you saying that the Church has no right to say that we are against homosexual marriage? Or against watching a movie? Or what? That homosexual sexual relationships are a sin?
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Clonereject1138
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If thats the case, we’re just repeating what God said, in a toned down manner. Heck, Paul told us to kill em. Be glad we let them live.
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mlchance
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No, it won’t. More inconvenient facts for you to ignore while: Even in countries were same-sex “marriage” is legal, the problems of homosexual promiscuity do not vanish. The journal AIDS (in 2003) published a study of homosexual men in the Netherlands that reported homosexual men in a “committed” relationship still acquired an average of eight additional sexual partners annually.
Regardless, even if same-sex “marriage” guaranteed homosexual monogamy, it would still be wrong because homosexual activity is intrinsically disordered and always gravely immoral.
– Mark L. Chance.
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Clonereject1138
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Ah, so to allow their marriages would be like giving the okay to their activity.
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gilliam
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I think that is the goal here.
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Liberalsaved
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Always gravely immoral in your little black and white world where you get to force your morals on everyone esle. What do you care what they do? It isn’t hurting you.
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Liberalsaved
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No, i’m saying you have no right to enforce that by law.
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gilliam
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Enforce what by law?
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mlchance
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Why do you continue to resort to strawmen and insults? Oh, that’s right. You don’t have any facts to back up your claims and your willful dissent from the Church.
Here’re those facts for you to ignore again: Even in countries were same-sex “marriage” is legal, the problems of homosexual promiscuity do not vanish. The journal AIDS (in 2003) published a study of homosexual men in the Netherlands that reported homosexual men in a “committed” relationship still acquired an average of eight additional sexual partners annually.
Regardless, even if same-sex “marriage” guaranteed homosexual monogamy, it would still be wrong because homosexual activity is intrinsically disordered and always gravely immoral.
This is your standard for morality? If something doesn’t affect you, it’s something to be not cared about?
:nope:
– Mark L. Chance.
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Liberalsaved
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And I’m saying, I don’t care if they are monogamous or not. It doesn’t give you the right to force a lifestyle on them that they do not want. Whether they fit your notions of what a couple should be doesn’t matter. I could give less of a care if the stats say they don’t commit; all I care about is people like you want to use that moral standard, something that is not allowed to be applied to everyone, to tell them what they can and cannot do.
I get it. You’re perfectly okay with forcing them into something you see as passable and good. I’m not. In your eyes that makes me wrong. In my eyes that makes you wrong.
And if the Church wants to force people to do certain things, then yes, the Church and I will definitely have a row over that.
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mlchance
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You don’t? You don’t care that the majority of homosexual men change sexual partners several times every year, contributing to the horrifyingly high rates of STDs among that particular group?
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Strawman. You’re the only one mentioning force.
Of course. Why bother with facts?
This verges on incoherent.
There’s that strawman again.
And again with the strawman.
More facts: Homosexuality activity is objectively disordered. Note the period. There is no way in which homosexual activity can be morally justified. Note the period. If you disagree with this, you don’t disagree with me. You disagree with the infallible teaching authority of Christ’s own Church.
– Mark L. Chance.
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goofyjim
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I’m quite content with SSA. I have stayed abstinent my whole life but even through massive continued prayer have not been able to reduce this. But the prayer has kept me pure in deed. Why can’t those supporting the homosexual lifestyle give this a try. I am convinced that there are many saints in heaven who fought off the actions through this approach while never being able to rid themselves of the temptations completely. This is what spiritual warfare is all about and that’s what we as Catholics are fighting.
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