Brother-in-Law Pawed Me, and I'M the Bad Guy?!?!

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What all of the above have said. Your instincts are correct, as have been your actions.

If anyone treated my wife like that, he would be persona non grata in my life, and so would be anyone who sided with him.
 
You did the right thing, now you need to stick to your decision. The e mail was a warning to all other family members. You have a great husband.
 
Wow.

Cut Steve out of your life. If he would do this to you after being asked repeatedly to stop (and in front of your husband no less) there doesn’t seem to be much that he won’t do. This is not a man that you want around you or your children.

And as far as your in-laws go, if they are making excuses for him and enabling him, you don’t want them around you or your children either. Just think, what would he do to one of your children that they would pass off as no bid deal?

Yeah, you and your whole family deserve better.
 
You did the right thing. I’m glad your husband is supportive. Keep away from Creepy and keep the kids away too. There’s no point in trying to reason or change parents of adult children who act like this. They’ve been making excuses for their child for decades and it isn’t an easy habit to break. Your husband can only make it clear to them that he refuses to subject his family to Steve and if they want to spend time with your family, it will be on a Steveless occasion. I think you should encourage your sister-in-law to draw the same boundary, especially if she has young girls.
 
I agree with the police route and a restraining order if it should happen again. And I would not give in to the denial and manipulations of the in-laws. If they want to see you and your husband, it would be without Steve and at your house. And if you have children, they should never be around him–EVER.
 
Avoid him. Bar him from your house. Move if necessary. These are all things I would do. Maybe, I am a bit extreme, but what your brother-in-law is doing is unacceptable. I might even report him to the police, get a restraining order, in lieu of moving.
 
I think you did exactly the right thing. And the fact that your husband supports you is very encouraging. This is a frightening situation, especially as your BIL seems to keep upping the ante. Based on what you said, I would consider him likely to do anything, providing he thought that he would either not get caught by other family members or that he would be believed over you. When people show you who they are, believe them. Frankly, I think his behavior sounds rather inclined toward being a potential rapist. Be careful. And be thankful your husband is on your side.
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One other thing, TALK TO THE POLICE! If you and your husband’s fimly lives in the town, the local police; if in different towns, talk to both your local police and the police where it happened and see what can be done about Steve. :gopray2::knight2:
 
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One other thing, TALK TO THE POLICE! If you and your husband’s fimly lives in the town, the local police; if in different towns, talk to both your local police and the police where it happened and see what can be done about Steve. :gopray2::knight2:
^This^

He may not change but it might scare him out of doing it to someone else if the authorities get involved. But I’m not saying to go back into the situation, as he may never change, and it’d be torture for you.
 
If you see the guy again and he so much as touches your waist, I’d recommend a slap to the face.
This was my initial reaction but given his past behavior he very well might attack you in return.

I would definitely repoort this. That way if he does end up violating any of the younger females, at least there would be a record of his past bahavior since obviously the family would most likely end up siding with him in that circumstance also.
 
Just to clear a few things up:

Steve lives in my husband’s hometown over a thousand miles away from our place, and he’s always on about how he hates my home city and everyone who lives here. So luckily we’ll never have to deal with him coming here. WHEW! 😃

I don’t have children, so there’s nothing to worry about there. I have a genetic medical condition that is the number one cause of subfertility and infertility in women, so it’s just never happened. But we have three beautiful nieces on my husband’s side: two teenagers, and one five years old.

There is no father-in-law in the picture, as my husband’s father died many years ago when my husband was just a toddler and Steve was about 12. Indeed, sometimes I wonder if having such an ultra-indulgent, all-forgiving mother protecting him from the consequences of his actions, and never having had a strong father figure showing him how a gentleman treats women might be some of the cause of Steve’s socially challenged behavior.

But seeing as how my husband and the middle brother were both far younger when they lost their dad and have both turned out to be wonderful, decent, good men who cherish their families, I’m not willing to cut him too much slack there. By all reports my late father-in-law was a paragon of a fellow, fair-minded and deeply devout, so Steve obviously doesn’t get his churlish ways from his father’s example.

My husband is completely disgusted with Steve and has decided to go to no contact with him. He will only see him at family events that he attends solo from here on in – I won’t stop him from visiting his family, but I won’t attend with him. I told my Mr. that I won’t buy an expensive plane ticket and make a long exhausting journey just so I can get picked on at best and sexually harassed at worst once I arrive. No way, Jose! :mad: He agrees COMPLETELY.

While my husband is very deeply disappointed that his mother has decided I’m some kind of hard-hearted villain who’s being too hard on her Poor Misunderstood 53-Year-Old Baby, my husband isn’t willing to cut off contact with her, as she’s in her late seventies and in poor health.

This isn’t the first time my MIL has ignored a blatant problem in one of her children, though – one of my husband’s sisters had an obvious alcohol problem when I first met her. During family events she’d be stumbling around slurring drunk by mid-afternoon, often saying rude things and insulting people. During our wedding she was out of it by 5 PM (the reception started at 3:30) and started telling members of my family how much “better” her family was than mine. My father went to my MIL and told her that she REALLY needed to have someone take her daughter back to the hotel, because she was very drunk and being very rude and making a spectacle of herself.

Guess who ended up being the bad guy in that situation? Yes, you guessed it – my Dad.

MIL complained about him for literally YEARS, no kidding, even though SIL went on to pull similar stunts at her other brother’s wedding, a cousin’s graduation dinner, and our niece’s baptism reception (!!!) MIL didn’t accept that her daughter had an alcohol problem until about three years ago, when a state trooper pulled my SIL over on a country highway and discovered she had a blood alcohol content over twice the legal limit, after which she ended up in court-ordered rehab. SIL is all dried out now, but rarely visits the family because they all still drink heavy. But to this day we’re still hearing complaints from MIL about how the judge was Just Too Hard on her.

I sent my brother- and sister-in-law the letter describing the under-the-skirt incident, and she and her husband are pretty much the only ones that understood my side and offered sympathy. I would definitely still visit with them if Steve wasn’t there, especially since their little daughter is very cute and just loooooooooves her Auntie G. 🙂

The only part that still worries me is that at the grad party, I saw Steve go up and grab my younger teenage niece (she’s 16) in the same way that he used to grab me, and just yukked it up when she acted annoyed afterwards. Problem is, their parents have the same “Can anything good come out of Nazareth?” attitude regarding Big City Dwellers as Steve does, and I’m not sure if they’d even believe me if I told them they might want to watch out for the way he treats their daughters.

Thing is… there’s a definite cunning to the way Steve chooses who he can and can’t grab. He won’t do it to his mother and sisters, and I’ve never noticed him hassling one policewoman cousin, or two other cousins who are married to big stocky Marines. No, it’s always lower-status females like sisters-in-law or young girls like the teenage nieces, who are all under pressure from MIL and the rest of that massive clan to Play Nice with him.

Well, I’m DONE playing nice with him. I swore to love, honor, and cherish, forsaking all others, and that includes big ol’ socially inept brothers-in-law, thanks! :mad:
 
Just to clear a few things up:

I saw Steve go up and grab my younger teenage niece (she’s 16) in the same way that he used to grab me, and just yukked it up when she acted annoyed afterwards.
What???!!!

Doesn’t the policewoman cousin have a duty to stop these things?
 
… it’s good to know that she’s not crazy…
That is the thing: The family doing the cover-up for Steve has the effect of re-defining what is an is not appropriate behavior. The victims are told they are “too sensitive” or “crazy”.

You are right: It is not going to be lost on a child that ol’ Uncle Steve has carte blanche to say and do what he wants to do, while those he violates can expect to have insult added to injury when they complain. Instead, the adults who are in a position to put boundaries on him and hold him to them ought to be acting on behalf of the people he’d violate if left to his own devices.

If your in-laws wouldn’t expect you to let them talk to you the way Steve does and touch you the way Steve does, then they should not allow Steve to do it. He should be told that it is not acceptable. Responsible parents of special needs children do that. They find ways their child can have social interactions without hurting any one. If Steve is a special needs adult, then the same can apply to him.

In the end, though, I think you have read the situation correctly–no one is going to stop Steve, when Steve lies he is believed, and when Steve is caught red-handed it is the victim who is blamed for objecting–and done the right thing by being adamant about saying that you will not accept his behavior any more, giving detailed reasons about why, and doing it in a way that no one can claim that they didn’t get the memo. Your in-laws have been put on notice, they don’t like it, they’re punishing you for it (just as they have habitually done to Steve’s victims), but it was the right thing to do.

The good thing is that you may have gotten the ball rolling in terms of other family members feeling they can put their foot down and say, “Hey, I am not crazy, it is giving him permission to act like this that is crazy, and I’m not going to accept this any more, either.” Then maybe the family can put Steve in a position where his interactions with the family are kept in-bounds.
 
What???!!!

Doesn’t the policewoman cousin have a duty to stop these things?
She wasn’t there, otherwise I’m sure she would have had intervened.

The female police officer cousin is a favorite amongst the nice in-laws, partly because she’s one of the only family members capable of standing up to Steve and putting him in his place when necessary.

She’s also the mother of a very good-looking, tall, slim, early-twenties-age son who likes trendy haircuts and clothes, and who is a very talented artist and graphic designer who started college as an art major a few years ago. He does lovely hand-drawn Christmas cards for his family every year.

Steve in the past has tried to target this young man for verbal abuse, even implying that his bohemian appearance and artistic abilities meant that he had to be “some kinda f*****t” – and whoo nelly did his mother step up to Protect and Serve. I was proud of her. 👍
 
She wasn’t there, otherwise I’m sure she would have had intervened.

The female police officer cousin is a favorite amongst the nice in-laws, partly because she’s one of the only family members capable of standing up to Steve and putting him in his place when necessary.

She’s also the mother of a very good-looking, tall, slim, early-twenties-age son who likes trendy haircuts and clothes, and who is a very talented artist and graphic designer who started college as an art major a few years ago. He does lovely hand-drawn Christmas cards for his family every year.

Steve in the past has tried to target this young man for verbal abuse, even implying that his bohemian appearance and artistic abilities meant that he had to be “some kinda f*****t” – and whoo nelly did his mother step up to Protect and Serve. I was proud of her. 👍
Make sure you arrange some get-togethers with the relatives who have boundaries. They should like nice people. The other ones (MIL, Steve, and anyone else who thinks bad behavior needs no apology or correction) need to realize that they have a choice between acting civilized and having a very much reduced social circle…these are natural consequences. Even Our Lord said that those who would not accept correction ought to be treated “as you would a tax collector or a Gentile”…which means to be kind to them, treat them like human beings, but to exclude them from a position of trust until they accept correction.

Thank goodness you don’t live very near your out-of-control or co-dependent relatives or depend on their family business. Pray for those who do.
 
What would I do? Call the police and file an assault report and ask for a restraining order.

I would definitely NOT be in the same room/house/building with him. And my in laws could take a flying leap.
This, in spades.
 
While my husband is very deeply disappointed that his mother has decided I’m some kind of hard-hearted villain who’s being too hard on her Poor Misunderstood 53-Year-Old Baby, my husband isn’t willing to cut off contact with her, as she’s in her late seventies and in poor health.

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But to this day we’re still hearing complaints from MIL about how the judge was Just Too Hard on her.

The only part that still worries me is that at the grad party, I saw Steve go up and grab my younger teenage niece (she’s 16) in the same way that he used to grab me, and just yukked it up when she acted annoyed afterwards. Problem is, their parents have the same “Can anything good come out of Nazareth?” attitude regarding Big City Dwellers as Steve does, and I’m not sure if they’d even believe me if I told them they might want to watch out for the way he treats their daughters.

Thing is… there’s a definite cunning to the way Steve chooses who he can and can’t grab. He won’t do it to his mother and sisters, and I’ve never noticed him hassling one policewoman cousin, or two other cousins who are married to big stocky Marines. No, it’s always lower-status females like sisters-in-law or young girls like the teenage nieces, who are all under pressure from MIL and the rest of that massive clan to Play Nice with him.

Well, I’m DONE playing nice with him. I swore to love, honor, and cherish, forsaking all others, and that includes big ol’ socially inept brothers-in-law, thanks! :mad:
Classic enabling behavior from your MIL. Too bad for Steve, he probably could have benefited from some intervention somewhere along the line. He may end up getting a kind of intervention he won’t like one of these days. :blackeye::crutches::stretcher:

as for the nieces…Give them Judo classes for a gift. Even if he is morbidly obese, using judo, they could take him down if he molests them. Or maybe just self-defense and kickboxing…I have no sympathy for molesters.

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Good advice from everyone, id like to add some thoughts,
Maybe your brother in law is getting some kinda kicks and thrills from women saying no…id be worried about any female near him, not just related ones
 
I agree 100% in cutting off BIL, but I might see if you could arrange some visits with just some of the other family especially the kids who I do not feel that they could be safe around good ole Uncle Steve. I would also be lecturing them about anyone entering their space and touching then when not asked. The other family might not be worried but I would be.

My Niece was elbowed really hard in the ribs by a past BF who got mad. She kicked him out of the house and told him to never contact her again. She waited until Mom and Step Dad got home, to see what she should do, and they said oh you must of misunderstood him. After a couple of days she was still upset and called me. Unfortunately there was nothing we could do via police because to much time has passed even though she had a bruise. I confronted Mom and Step Dad, had her lift up her shirt to show a nice big bruise and asked them how she could be mistaken about this. They were shocked, and I said next time listen to your kid, because now the jerk is probably abusing someone else.

To help make up for the wrong, I signed him up to get any literature on Domestic abuse I could get for free, maybe something will stick. But it hasn’t because his post on FB has him wondering why he keeps getting this stuff. So in short, your SIL is old enough to care for herself, but the kids aren’t, please keep in close contact with them and keep emphasizing that No one has the right to touch their bodies, and there is recourse.

Good Luck
 
Classic enabling behavior from your MIL. Too bad for Steve, he probably could have benefited from some intervention somewhere along the line. He may end up getting a kind of intervention he won’t like one of these days. :blackeye::crutches::stretcher:

as for the nieces…Give them Judo classes for a gift. Even if he is morbidly obese, using judo, they could take him down if he molests them. Or maybe just self-defense and kickboxing…I have no sympathy for molesters.

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He’s already groped a 16-yr-old…in some states that is statutory RAPE. I fear for your nieces…especially the youngest who is likely the easiest prey for this…Steve.
 
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