"Brothers" of Jesus

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JB_Brother_4446 said:
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What evidence? I’ve already posited that Salome being a daughter to Joseph and Mary being betrothed to Joseph, he was essentially her permanent guardian, puts both Salome and Mary in a relationship with the house of Joseph, for want of a better term, thus it would be perfectly reasonable for them to be referred to as sisters. The Church is clear that Mary was an only child thus it would only be through having Joseph in common that Mary could call someone sister.
As for Papias, you haven’t provided evidence, you have simply claimed that Papias wrote such, and all that establishes is that there was more than one view floating around. Obviously they can’t all be true.

Rome didn’t establish the feast day of the Dormition of Mary until long after it had been celebrated in the East, and I believe some of the other Marian feast days followed the same pattern of being established in the East first with Rome adding them to the Latin calendar later. This clearly implies that knowledge pertaining to the life of Mary had been maintained in the East, such as when the Emperor requested the relics of Mary be transferred to Constantinople from Jerusalem, only to be informed by the Bishop of Jerusalem that there were no bodily relics of Mary as she had been assumed bodily into heaven after her death. The Church in Jerusalem had knowledge of Mary, and of Joseph and his children that was not common knowledge throughout the rest of the Church.
 
prodromos said:
What evidence? I’ve already posited that Salome being a daughter to Joseph and Mary being betrothed to Joseph, he was essentially her permanent guardian, puts both Salome and Mary in a relationship with the house of Joseph, for want of a better term, thus it would be perfectly reasonable for them to be referred to as sisters. The Church is clear that Mary was an only child thus it would only be through having Joseph in common that Mary could call someone sister.
As for Papias, you haven’t provided evidence, you have simply claimed that Papias wrote such, and all that establishes is that there was more than one view floating around. Obviously they can’t all be true.

Rome didn’t establish the feast day of the Dormition of Mary until long after it had been celebrated in the East, and I believe some of the other Marian feast days followed the same pattern of being established in the East first with Rome adding them to the Latin calendar later. This clearly implies that knowledge pertaining to the life of Mary had been maintained in the East, such as when the Emperor requested the relics of Mary be transferred to Constantinople from Jerusalem, only to be informed by the Bishop of Jerusalem that there were no bodily relics of Mary as she had been assumed bodily into heaven after her death. The Church in Jerusalem had knowledge of Mary, and of Joseph and his children that was not common knowledge throughout the rest of the Church.
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Yes, but its actually implied John and James are cousins of Jesus. And apparently John was ten years younger than Jesus at the time, So I don’t really see how sister can mean something as vauge as age difference. Unless Salome was related to Mary.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
Yes, but its actually implied John and James are cousins of Jesus. And apparently John was ten years younger than Jesus at the time, So I don’t really see how sister can mean something as vauge as age difference. Unless Salome was related to Mary.
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When did I mention “age difference”?
 
prodromos said:
When did I mention “age difference”?
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Oh right you didn’t. But Salome was a common name back then and she was not one of the children of Mary mother of James. You also mentioned something as vague as “They lived in the same house.”
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
Oh right you didn’t. But Salome was a common name back then and she was not one of the children of Mary mother of James. You also mentioned something as vague as “They lived in the same house.”
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Salome was the daughter of Joseph, Mary was under his guardianship (through their betrothal). That is how they both relate to Joseph and hence why they could be called sisters. I spoke of the house of Joseph in relational terms and did not mean to imply they lived under the same roof. I apologise for any confusion.
 
prodromos said:
Salome was the daughter of Joseph, Mary was under his guardianship (through their betrothal). That is how they both relate to Joseph and hence why they could be called sisters. I spoke of the house of Joseph in relational terms and did not mean to imply they lived under the same roof. I apologise for any confusion.
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I understand you now.
 
prodromos said:
Salome was the daughter of Joseph, Mary was under his guardianship (through their betrothal). That is how they both relate to Joseph and hence why they could be called sisters. I spoke of the house of Joseph in relational terms and did not mean to imply they lived under the same roof. I apologise for any confusion.
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I think aunt would be more realistic.
 
Eliza10 said:
Okay, the pruriently curious midwife Salome can be found here in this copy of the “Protoevangelium of James” in Chapter 20 here in New Advent Encyclopedia. This is not edifying and I do not recommend anyone read it.

Obviously the author of this fantasy alleged to come from James would not agree with St. Augustine that as light passes through glass without harming it, so too did Jesus pass through the womb of Mary without the opening of Mary’s womb.

The man who was turned into a mule with the ebony collar might not be from alleged James writing. I found this just now on a quick look: orthodox.cn/patristics/apostolicfathers/infancy1.htm and you can read it Capter 7: starting verse 11 on that page. Maybe that is helpful.
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