Brownback for President!

[hoser]

There is probably a better forum for this, but I have recently become aware that the newly decided presidential canditate Senator Brownback is a convert to Catholicism from an evangelical protestant. I know that we have about a year to decide the primary candidates but this guy excites me!

Here is a quote of his from catholicsforbrownback.blogspot.com/2006/06/washington-post-profile-of-senator.html

**Brownback says he felt drawn to Catholicism for several years before he converted. (He had been raised a Methodist, and later belonged to a nondenominational evangelical church.) He describes the decision as an organic process, less a journey away from his faith and more a return to its roots. He doesn’t call it a conversion.

“A conversion is if I became a Buddhist,” he says. “Joining the Catholic Church was joining the early church. This is the mother church. This is the church out of which orthodoxy and Protestantism came.”
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[lak611]

I read the link you provided, and he sounds like a good, moral man who has traditional Catholic values. He is definitely pro-life, which is a good thing.

 

[Contarini]

I’m impressed with him as well. He seems to take consistently moral, principled positions. I’m not sure realistically that he stands much chance for President in 2008. But if conservative Christians turn out in large numbers to support him in the primary, whoever does win the primary may decide to pick Brownback as a running mate in order to attract the conservative Christian vote, and that would position him to win the Presidency later on.

Edwin

 

[freesoulhope]

Catholic is just a word for these people. Even if the guy is Catholic, the govement is about control and power. Brown will either be currupted by the rich elite and the wealty corporations that rule this world, or he will not be president. Simple. I havent got anything agains’t the guy, just dont be fooled. I gave up long time ago wishing for a black president. Just because he’s black doesnt mean that he will have any of my intrests at heart or that he is a good person.

The president doesnt run your country. He’s just there for you to cheer or point the figure at when something bad happens. Its just a game designed to fool you. And alot of innocent people who just want to live in peace are unjustly dying in it.

Peace.

 

[hoser]

I’m impressed with him as well. He seems to take consistently moral, principled positions. I’m not sure realistically that he stands much chance for President in 2008. But if conservative Christians turn out in large numbers to support him in the primary, whoever does win the primary may decide to pick Brownback as a running mate in order to attract the conservative Christian vote, and that would position him to win the Presidency later on.

Edwin

It is hard to predict anything as far as who will be the primary winner, but if he is indeed conservative on all the issues and does not upset the evengelical christian voters due to his conversion, he has a chance. Remember, during the Republican primaries is when the most conservative voters come out just like during the Democrat primaries the most liberal voters turn out and vote. The general election is where you will find more moderate people. But the primaries is where the enthusiastic voters on each side vote.

 

[hoser]

I’m impressed with him as well. He seems to take consistently moral, principled positions. I’m not sure realistically that he stands much chance for President in 2008. But if conservative Christians turn out in large numbers to support him in the primary, whoever does win the primary may decide to pick Brownback as a running mate in order to attract the conservative Christian vote, and that would position him to win the Presidency later on.

Edwin

Catholic is just a word for these people. Even if the guy is Catholic, the govement is about control and power. Brown will either be currupted by the rich elite and the wealty corporations that rule this world, or he will not be president. Simple. I havent got anything against the guy, just dont be fooled. I gave up long time ago wishing for a black president. Just because he’s black doesnt mean that he will have of my intrests at heart or that he is a good person.

The president doesnt run your country. He’s just there for you to cheer or point the figure at when something bad happens. Its just a game designed to fool you. And alot of innocent people who just want to live in peace are unjustly dying in it.

Peace.

Sorry, but I disagree with you beliefs. It is VERY important who is president. You apparently have the complete negative view that all is alway bad. Sorry, but I cannot nor will I ever take that sorriful attidude.

 

[freesoulhope]

Sorry, but I disagree with you beliefs. It is VERY important who is president. You apparently have the complete negative view that all is alway bad. Sorry, but I cannot nor will I ever take that sorriful attidude.

Cool, no need to apoligise, thats just my opinion. But i do agree that sometimes one is better then the other and one should choose the one that supports the right things. But it doesn’t mean they trully have are intrests at heart, and if they do, if the guy truly is catholic deep down, he’s not gonna last long in the presidency.

Im sorry if that sounds negative, i just look at things in a wider context.

 

[hoser]

Cool, no need to apoligise, thats just my opinion. But i do agree that sometimes one is better then the other and one should choose the one that supports the right things. But it doesn’t mean they trully have are intrests at heart, and if they do, if the guy truly is catholic deep down, he’s not gonna last long in the presidency.

Im sorry if that sounds negative, i just look at things in a wider context.

Lets start with this. I don’t vote for people based on wether or not they are Catholic. It CAN be a plus if the are Catholic AND conservative. For instance, I did NOT and would NEVER vote for someone like John Kerry who IS Catholic but doesn’t act like one.

My main focus is someone who is conservative on all the issues. The five non-negociables to start out with. Lower taxes and more. In fact, I would support Mitt Romney (a Mormon) whom I strongly disagree with on theology if he would govern conservatively.

 

[freesoulhope]

Lets start with this. I don’t vote for people based on wether or not they are Catholic. It CAN be a plus if the are Catholic AND conservative. For instance, I did NOT and would NEVER vote for someone like John Kerry who IS Catholic but doesn’t act like one.

My main focus is someone who is conservative on all the issues. The five non-negociables to start out with. Lower taxes and more. In fact, I would support Mitt Romney (a Mormon) whom I strongly disagree with on theology if he would govern conservatively.

 

[Michael_C]

Sorry, but I disagree with you beliefs. It is VERY important who is president. You apparently have the complete negative view that all is alway bad. Sorry, but I cannot nor will I ever take that sorriful attidude.

Sadly I’ll have to agree with the air of negativity in Freesoulhope’s post. We aren’t given choices in presidential elections. There is no difference between republican or democratic candidates. The winner will do the bidding of the very elite and their marching orders will be the same no matter who wins.

Brwonback is doomed. The media has already chosen to completely ignore him and label him.

 

[Desertfalcon]

I don’t think his religious history should play a role in my deciding who I want as President. I also think it is dangerous to judge someone’s religious life based on politics. I am Catholic and Republican and I vote and endorse certain moral/religious issues, but…render unto Caesar. Mixing our sacred Faith and partisen politics is dangerous. Leave that to our evengelical Prot. brothers. Sen. Kerry’s Catholicism is just as valid to me, (as I don’t know him personaly), as Sen. Brownback’s, (don’t know him either…).

 

[hoser]

I don’t think his religious history should play a role in my deciding who I want as President. I also think it is dangerous to judge someone’s religious life based on politics. I am Catholic and Republican and I vote and endorse certain moral/religious issues, but…render unto Caesar. Mixing our sacred Faith and partisen politics is dangerous. Leave that to our evengelical Prot. brothers. Sen. Kerry’s Catholicism is just as valid to me, (as I don’t know him personaly), as Sen. Brownback’s, (don’t know him either…).

His religious history maybe shouldn’t play a roll, but it is essential that “our sacred Faith” does indeed play a roll in everything we do. Listen to Father Larry Richards talk “The Truth”, everything IS God’s and everything IS about God. We cannot and we should not separate our faith from anything and that includes politics. It is not up to me whether or not Sen. Kerry’s Catholicism is valid or not, but I can decide and come to the conclusion that he strays far from Catholic teaching. He is on the wrong side on all 5 non-negociables wear as Sen. Brownback appears to be on the correct side of these critical issues.

 

[hoser]

Sadly I’ll have to agree with the air of negativity in Freesoulhope’s post. We aren’t given choices in presidential elections. There is no difference between republican or democratic candidates. The winner will do the bidding of the very elite and their marching orders will be the same no matter who wins.

Brwonback is doomed. The media has already chosen to completely ignore him and label him.

How can you say this? People are now just starting to become candidates. And there will be more who announce yet. The primaries are a year away. He may not have a chance at winning, but to say that someone is doomed at this point is ridiculous.

 

[Contarini]

It is hard to predict anything as far as who will be the primary winner, but if he is indeed conservative on all the issues and does not upset the evengelical christian voters due to his conversion, he has a chance. Remember, during the Republican primaries is when the most conservative voters come out just like during the Democrat primaries the most liberal voters turn out and vote. The general election is where you will find more moderate people. But the primaries is where the enthusiastic voters on each side vote.

Well, I’ve been following presidential elections for about 20 years now, and generally the candidates perceived as more extreme don’t win primaries. Robertson, Buchanan, Keyes, and Bauer never won a Republican primary; Brown, Dean, Sharpton, and Kucinich haven’t won a Democratic primary (I use present perfect because Kucinich is running in 2008 and Sharpton may do so). True, the “base” turns out in primaries, and a candidate has to appeal to the base in order to win. But the candidate also has to have some name recognition and win the support of powerful groups within the party. I wish it wasn’t that way, but it appears to be that way. Typically the candidates who win are candidates who come from a relatively more “centrist” position and have powerful connections but are able to persuade the “base” that they are on their side. The current President is a prime example of this. He isn’t really a classic conservative Christian candidate (though his enemies try to persuade him as one). He’s a well-connected rich boy from a powerful dynasty, but he was able to persuade conservative Christian voters that he had their interests at heart.

I simply don’t think Brownback has enough name recognition to win, and I think the media see him as an “extremist” and will use that language about him every chance they get. But let’s hope I’m wrong, and let’s do everything we can to spread the word that this is a guy worth looking into. . . . (Who knows, he may turn out to be a disappointment anyway!)

Edwin

 

[Michael_C]

How can you say this? People are now just starting to become candidates. And there will be more who announce yet. The primaries are a year away. He may not have a chance at winning, but to say that someone is doomed at this point is ridiculous.

Hi Hoser, I have every intention of supporting him. Whenever I watch the news or surf the internet his name is not mentioned among candidates. How can you force the media to put his name out there?

 

[Brad]

Sadly I’ll have to agree with the air of negativity in Freesoulhope’s post. We aren’t given choices in presidential elections. There is no difference between republican or democratic candidates. The winner will do the bidding of the very elite and their marching orders will be the same no matter who wins.

Brwonback is doomed. The media has already chosen to completely ignore him and label him.

And the media was in love with Bush.

 

[Michael_C]

And the media was in love with Bush.

To say he was loved is far from accurate, but he was acknowledged. Brownback is not even being mentioned.

 

[Dale_M]

Brownback is not even being mentioned.

He hasn’t gotten the attention he deserves, but it is increasing. Usually when he is mentioned it is only one sentence calling him the favorite of conservative evangelicals. But USA Today gave him three (!) sentences yesterday.

Two hopefuls, Arizona Sen. John McCain and Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, have clear-cut and directly opposing positions. McCain has long said more troops are needed to achieve U.S. goals in Iraq. Brownback says more troops are not the answer.

Brownback’s opposition to additional troops demonstrates independence from Bush but puts him on the same page as white evangelical Republicans, a subgroup that opposed the increase in an AP/Ipsos Poll this month…

usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-14-gop_x.htm