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bibcat
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Pedophilia is also a mental illness, and yet we have no qualms (for now) about applying those adjectives to it.
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gracepoole
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Sorry – I mistakenly linked to the wrong post first. I’ve amended it to direct to this post: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13017957&postcount=65
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gracepoole
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How is Jenner’s choice akin to abusing children?
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bibcat
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Although sex-change operations are not specifically mentioned in Scripture, human sexuality is spelled out clearly, starting in Genesis: “So God created people in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them. God blessed them and told them, multiply and fill the earth and subdue it” (Genesis 1:27-28a). Genesis 1:31 tells us that His creation was excellent in every way. To say that gender does not matter is to disagree with God’s design for creation and His proclamation that it was very good.
This also is a good explanation of why transsexuality and “sex changes” are wrong: To wit:
The Bible does not address this issue because it was not around at the time. But, no, sex change operations are not okay. God created people as male and female (Gen. 1:27). People are ordained by God to be male or female because it is He who forms them in the womb:
•Isaiah 44:2, “Thus says the Lord who made you and formed you from the womb, who will help you, Do not fear, O Jacob My servant; and you Jeshurun whom I have chosen.”
•Isaiah 44:24, “Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the Lord, am the maker of all things . . . '”
Therefore, to change the gender of a person through an operation is a violation of the natural birth gender that God has ordained for the person. It also violates the distinction of those attributes which designate a male from a female. Furthermore, if, for example, a male becomes a woman and has relations with a male, then this would be homosexuality another sin clearly forbidden by Scripture.
If anything, this sexual identity dysfunction is due to sin in the world. Transsexuals (those who have changed sexes) and claim to be Christian cannot appeal to the problem of a “biological goof” due to sin in the world. It is due to sin and its effects that such an issue of transsexualism even exists and an appeal to a sinful state should never excuse further sin.
Nevertheless, we are not to abandon the transsexual. Even though the person is in sin, the transsexual is still a person in need of full redemption, love, grace, and kindness. We do not convince someone to repent by condemning and accusing. Rather, they need to see the love of Christ in us so that His presence might convict and convince them of their sin.
carm.org/sex-change-operations
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garn9173
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Same award given to Robin Roberts, the Tillman brothers, the passengers of United Flight 93, and Pat Summit just to name a few will be given to this freak show and will probably get a standing ovation
Bruce will still have to get regular prostate screenings just like any other um guy.
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Miss_Felicity
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That’s new, I have never heard of the adoption of gender neutral titles for gender neutral jobs troubling anyone.
Admin Assistants can and are men so secretary was done away with as it had feminine connotations, same thing with servers and flight attendants, both genders can do and perform the job.
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gracepoole
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I think it’s important to note that the Church has not created doctrine that prohibits sex reassignment. It might actually be helpful if she would definitively weigh in on the issue but she hasn’t. I also agree that we are not to abandon those who are transgendered. But using terms like “vile” and “disgusting” to refer to them doesn’t seem evidence of love, grace, and kindness.
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estesbob
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We are referring to the “cure” as being vile & disgusting
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bibcat
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The “church” is God’s holy word, as expressed in the Bible. And yes, that’s the Old as well as the New Testament. Although we, as Christians, are no longer bound by the civil or ceremonial aspects of Old Testament law, we are still bound by the moral aspects. To do otherwise flirts with (there’s that word again) Marcionism, and that’s a heresy.
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estesbob
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Jenner says he is still attracted to women.does that make him a Lesbian? " O Brave New World"
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gracepoole
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If we find that this form of therapy is actually necessary, would we describe it in those terms? The Church hasn’t said it is or isn’t necessary. I’d feel far better leaving it to her to have the final say.
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gracepoole
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First, if this issue is so clear cut, why hasn’t the Church spoken definitively on it? Second, modern medicine allows for circumstances and outcomes that couldn’t have been navigated in the ancient world.
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Patti_M
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Not to be rude but I think you have a comprehension problem. That’s not what I said or am trying to say. I am saying that he feels the need to be feminine (delicate, pretty). Because he has been living with the most oversexed family in the country he probably has a very warped view of what being a woman is. That said, if he were doing this at age 25 instead of 65 it might be a little easier to understand.
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estesbob
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Actually the Church says the only time such surgery is licit is when one is born with both sets of genitalia
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gracepoole
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He didn’t seem to want to directly address the question of whether he’d be a lesbian post-surgery in the Diane Sawyer interview. He simply noted that he’s still attracted to women. (Again, there isn’t anything of my opinion here – just sharing what he said.)
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tomarin
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I’m old-fashioned that way.
It feels strange to me to refer to an actress as an “actor”. I think actress sounds nicer anyway.
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gracepoole
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It sounds like the problem is with your use of language. “Glamour” doesn’t equal “delicate” or “pretty,” nor does the cover of Vanity Fair equate with these terms. The fact that he has done it at the age of 65 seems to be further indication that his concept of “feminine” isn’t simply about female trappings.Not to be rude but I think you have a comprehension problem. That’s not what I said or am trying to say. I am saying that he feels the need to be feminine (delicate, pretty). Because he has been living with the most oversexed family in the country he probably has a very warped view of what being a woman is. That said, if he were doing this at age 25 instead of 65 it might be a little easier to understand.
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Dawnia
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This whole thing reminds me of a modern day Freak Show.
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gracepoole
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Actually, the Church has not made any definitive, doctrinal pronouncements about those who are transgendered.
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bibcat
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To paraphrase John Donne, beware “for whom the belle trolls, she trolls for thee.”Not to be rude but I think you have a comprehension problem. That’s not what I said or am trying to say. I am saying that he feels the need to be feminine (delicate, pretty). Because he has been living with the most oversexed family in the country he probably has a very warped view of what being a woman is. That said, if he were doing this at age 25 instead of 65 it might be a little easier to understand.
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