I know you’re probably not directing this at anyone in particular but I have to say that I don’t know nor have I ever known anyone going thru this. If I have been unkind on this subject I
‘Mental’ is a broad label. There’s evidence that it’s neurological (i.e.,physical), and not just psychiatric. But there’s so much we don’t know about it.I know you’re probably not directing this at anyone in particular but I have to say that I don’t know nor have I ever known anyone going thru this. If I have been unkind on this subject I
am truly sorry, it was not my intent. I have always thought that people in these situations have mental issues. I could be wrong.
They are the people who push ideas contrary to reason and the Faith. Agenda can be used pejoratively. And in this context I do mean it as that. I would not however deny that I have an agenda or that the Church has agenda. I do hope that I am speaking the truth. I also believe those who promote the agenda that leads men and women to mutilate their bodies are promoting falsehood. This should be uncontroversial. I’m sure those who promote the agenda I am against think I’m wrong. Only one of us can be right. There is no sense in pretending we both can be.
What no one talks about that the morbidity and mortality among persons with this affliction do not approach that of the general population after the surgery, either. It is very difficult to argue that this is a “cure.”
They were on the Diane Sawyer interview and support him.
According to Dr. Drew, the suicide rate is high also among those who’ve already transitioned.
People whose gender is truly ambiguous are not common. We know that medicine can’t change a male into a female. Medicine can’t change a female into a male. There are many psychiatric disorders based on a confused sense that the patient’s sense of reality is true and reality itself is false. When is it ever ethical to encourage the patient to practice deceit on the rest of the world in order to relieve the anxiety caused by the confused patient’s faulty self-assessment?
Your post reminds me of that one person, Thomas Beatie, in the news several years ago who was born female, transitioned to male, then had a baby. In fact, s/he had three babies. Very odd.
Is it lying to call a woman Protestant minister “Reverend”?
I’m not arguing or advocating those things, so I assume you’re asking rhetorically.
Yes, you don’t become a real woman just by taking hormones and telling Vanity Fair readers you are a woman. As for 65 year old Jenner I would tell him that we have earned our stripes by being wives and mothers and in some cases, grandmothers.
Yes…I should have clarified that in my reply to you. I meant to add to what you were saying, not disagree with it. Sorry about that.
That is what the study found…that is, that the suicide rate after surgery is still far higher than the general population. This is not a cure. It is not a ticket to satisfaction. It does not “right a wrong” and set the patient free.
waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2013/11/20-regret-changing-genders-over-40attempt-suicide-and-even-after-surgery-a-large-number-remain-traum.html
That strikes me as a particularly poor analogy, considering we call nuns reverend
.A conversation. Which is better than what’s going on right now, which is totally unscientific, and may be leading people to higher mortality rates, not lower.
No need, your posts are a lot clearer than mine are.
Ah, Havard. There are some voices I always appreciate hearing from regarding certain topics around here and yours is most definitely one that’s needed regarding this topic. And I agree that the issues here are complex. In general conversation with community members, I don’t hear much acknowledgement of what you’ve noted previously: that the suicide and depression rates for those who go through the surgery can remain high. It may well be that we’re doing a disservice to the transgendered by applauding every case like Jenner’s. I first heard about this complexity when listening to Women of Grace on EWTN. It was medically fascinating. Unfortunately, one of the associates there then went on to claim that Jenner (pre-surgery) was “milking this for all it’s worth.” I think that’s precisely the wrong approach to take. We don’t need to disparage the motives of those experiencing this affliction in such a way. Doing so does nothing to help us further understand any of it.I agree with you that it’s a very poorly understood condition.
But as I have voiced in this thread before, politics is steamrolling science here. Society may be enabling precisely the wrong thing. But there is no room for dissent now that the progressive p.c. police have entrenched themselves as they have.
It doesn’t matter if your interests are 100% pure, if your heart is full of compassion and zero bigotry. Bruce is Caitlyn, a woman, she, period. And anyone who says otherwise is an ignorant, judgmental relic of the cisgender patriarchy.
When explaining what she was about to undergo, Jenner told her children that when she was parenting them for years, it was as much “she” that was doing so as “he.” In other words, she believes that the “she” has always been part of her internally. It just wasn’t expressed externally. I’m quite sure she believes she “earned her stripes” internally, as well. Speaking as a woman, I don’t feel bothered or insulted that she is now going to call herself a woman because she didn’t go through the periods, the breastfeeding, the transition from attractive young woman to mature older woman. I am grateful, however, that I’ve always felt at home in my body and have never desired to be male.
Well said…and here is the answer. There are very few places on earth where the mentally ill are not treated as garbage, weak, or something totally less than. I must at this point give credit to all of you and others who don’t treat them that way, but the rest of humanity that treat them so awfully even now, when we should no better, have completely missed the boat of Christianity. The way we treat the poor is not much better, again giving kudos to those of you and others who help the poor empower themselves.