Well, the short answer is it’s not yet certain whether that’s true. However, it would not be astonishing to learn that there is something going on with or in the brain relative to a specific behavior trait. But even that would not necessarily mean it is causal (the reason for the behavior).
Ok. But what do the doctors who are facilitating Jenner’s decision for surgical alteration claim to know? To what science do they appeal to “know” he is truly a woman? People who support his decision argue that he has spent a lot of time with medical professionals. So, if doctors have some scientific Rosetta Stone to explain it all, what is that data? What do they offer to distinguish themselves any different than ancient man who bore holes in their heads to let the demons out? What do they have beyond Jenner’s insistence? Is their means of psychological analysis also sufficient to determine if someone is the reincarnation of person X they claim to be? Are their brain inconsistencies native only to women? If so, on what basis would they appeal to that phenomenon over any other biological evidence pointing to maleness? Etc…
Well, once again, I just don’t know. Ah, but as far explaining thoughts of reincarnation goes, I can answer that one. It does seem genetic memory is a possibility.
I was born and raised Catholic. Now in my 50s, I can confidently say, I have never ever met a Catholic who played by all the rules. That includes priests, nuns, our popes, etc. Every one of us is a sinner. And every one of us is sensitive to things because of what we’ve experienced in our lives. If we have a gay son, daughter, brother, sister, etc and we’ve witnessed the discrimination, the pain, the strength, the courage and the love, we will have a very different perspective on things than those who have not.A couple of my fellow RCIA graduates have posted this to Facebook and are celebrating his “bravery.” I know it wouldn’t help if I said anything about it and I won’t. One also posts a lot of pro-gay marriage things. Makes me wonder why this person joined the Church. I don’t know if it’s my place to say anything and if so, what. I know a couple of times over the years the fellow who runs adult ed has charitably corrected me on some things. I don’t know.
I love NPR and I swear now everyday their Facebook newsfeed has transgender stories. What happened? Even my husband has noticed.
Maybe Jenner thinks that Original Sin exists and it had negative ramifications for creation
All of the transgender people I know who have had surgery, and I do know a bunch, say that
Transgender people aren’t new, they have been documented for thousands of years in India.
People aren’t born homicidal, some are however born male and others female.
Indubitably.
Which do you think God is more likely to approve of, suicide or transitioning?
That section is on torture.
God loves you even if troglodytes don’t.
I am insulted that you believe that womanhood is about breeding.
I wasn’t aware that the essence of my being a woman was that I get to wear tampons sometimes. But, you know, thanks for clearing that up.
I think you’re right here. I full support Jenner’s right to make her decision (whether I agree with it is neither here nor there), though I’m not enamoured of it forming part of a reality TV show. I also worry that she is not the example to other men and women with her condition, that she aims to be - not everyone has the material resources to make the transition so readily or easily. A less sensationalist (though no less honest, or even more honest) approach would I think be more helpful for more people.
How sad that you view the ability to have carry, have, and nurture children with such contempt.
If being a woman is a biological fact, then yes, the whole menstruating thing is a rather significant difference. If being a woman is just about how you feel, then their are no meaningful differences between men and women and we can get rid of the WNBA, the WPGA, the WTA, and Title IX rules for college sports and let the women compete with men on the same turf.
How unconscionably ridiculous that you have entirely narrowed your view of womanhood to their ability to carry and nurture children.
How unconscionably ridiculous that you have entirely narrowed your view of womanhood to their ability to carry and nurture children.
Womanhood and being female are very different things. Femininity is again a 3rd thing. Bruce Jenner was biologically, physically, male. It doesn’t mean he considered himself to be a man. We need to separate a whole load of different things because they are distinct.
Do you want me to send a picture?
What truth was being stated?
I don’t treat bearing children with contempt, my issue is that women are always defined in relation to men, but men are not defined in relation to women. Also such line of thinking says that women who died virgins serving God are less than women because they renounced marriage and procreation. It is theologically unacceptable for you to claim that a woman is more a woman if she marries and has children than if she remains a virgin.
You’re not a delusional man. You are simply a man. And no amount of surgery, hormones or clothing can undo that. You have the right to live your life the way you want to -what you don’t have is the right to expect everyone else to accept your actions . Probably doesn’t matter to you what my opinion of the way you have chosen to live your life is but then I wonder why you would come and do a Catholic form and try and defend it.?
I’m glad to hear they are experiencing some relief. But we’re still not sure why, or why others didn’t. It’s quite a dice to roll, and while I don’t condemn them for making a decision under such duress, I can’t support it, either.
Me dressing up as Napoleon doesn’t make me Napoleon. Even if I went so far as to have myself surgically reduced in height, I still wouldn’t be him.
No, you really can’t. Being a woman and/or a mother involves objective biological differences that go beyond a preference for playing with dolls as a child rather than toy guns.As for reproduction, I did what many women who cannot conceive do and adopted. I can be a mother
That’s an assumption on you’re part, I’ve never said that women who don’t have children are less than women who did, though it would be easy for me to assume that you think women who did choose motherhood are lesser. In any case, there are objective biological differences between men and women that can’t be changed through cosmetic surgery. Pretending those objective differences are less relevant than subjective feelings is unserious.
The response that you will get is that the patients were women all along, or men all along, that they didn’t change genders. However, that requires you to accept the another premise that has yet to be established. It just moves the discussion to another area.
