Buckley's son comments of Gingrich's conversion this weekend

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rien said:
Interesting. As with Tony Blair this conversion is troubling. No one can judge what is in their hearts but along with the rampant annulments in the US, the ND scandal and much more this just brings attention to what more and more see as the hypocrisy of the Catholic church.

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Your name really does say it all.Unlike the media the Church believes in Redemption and forgiveness.Sorry if it doesn’t meet your standards for secular popularity.We won’t lose any sleep over it.

He’s finally seen the light and we will rejoice for him.Have you not sinned?Is that why you’re so eager to pick up the metaphorical stone?
 
Be careful it’s not your name Christ was writing in the sand rein? Are you sinless, are you repentant?

If we refuse to forgive we are not forgiven. Only God knows the sincerity of this man…God has always used sinners…Rahab, Jacob, Saul, David, Solomon and He alone decides who is unworthy

If Buckley knew the first thing about his catechism he would understand this…perhaps he should practice a bit of humility for a change
 
redrosetea said:
Be careful it’s not your name Christ was writing in the sand rein? Are you sinless, are you repentant?

If we refuse to forgive we are not forgiven. Only God knows the sincerity of this man…God has always used sinners…Rahab, Jacob, Saul, David, Solomon and He alone decides who is unworthy

If Buckley knew the first thing about his catechism he would understand this…perhaps he should practice a bit of humility for a change
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Did you read the article? Buckley says only God knows Newt’s heart and that Buckley must assume he is sincere, albeit he waits until near the end of the article to say it.
 
No I didn’t bother because knowing Rein he wanted to stir things…He never misses an opportunity to bash the church

I have never been able to understand his fascination with a catholic forum when clearly he has no use for us

I am glad you brought that to my attention…I stand corrected…
 
TMC said:
Did you read the article? Buckley says only God knows Newt’s heart and that Buckley must assume he is sincere, albeit he waits until near the end of the article to say it.
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I did read the article and you note I noted in my post no one can know his heart.

But on the surface it reinforces the scandal of annulements and the hypocritical stand of the US church on divorce.

If you are wealthy or famous it is quite easy to get an annulment. Not as easy if one is not wealthy. But still annulments can be readily gotten. It is Catholic divorce and, IMO, a charade and more and more folks are catching onto that. This episode is more grist for that mill.
 
rien said:
I did read the article and you note I noted in my post no one can know his heart.

But on the surface it reinforces the scandal of annulements and the hypocritical stand of the US church on divorce.

If you are wealthy or famous it is quite easy to get an annulment. Not as easy if one is not wealthy. But still annulments can be readily gotten. It is Catholic divorce and, IMO, a charade and more and more folks are catching onto that. This episode is more grist for that mill.
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Baloney.No such thing as Catholic divorce.And folks with low income are just as eligible to receive an annulment if a true lack of a sacramental marriage exists.The validity of the marriage in what’s in question.Not your income level.
If you have issues with the Church, however, no rational reasoning re. the issue may prevail…🤷
 
rien said:
I did read the article and you note I noted in my post no one can know his heart.

But on the surface it reinforces the scandal of annulements and the hypocritical stand of the US church on divorce.

If you are wealthy or famous it is quite easy to get an annulment. Not as easy if one is not wealthy. But still annulments can be readily gotten. It is Catholic divorce and, IMO, a charade and more and more folks are catching onto that. This episode is more grist for that mill.
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What you are describing is in fact a commonly held secular misaprehension or myth.I am undergoing an annulment and believe me it has NOTHING to do with wealth or the lack of.I am hardly wealthy.What the representatives of the Church look at is the sacramental validity of the union at the time of the marriage.There are many factors to consider and the process can be examined by simply googling it.Nothing hypocritical about it.It is quite a humane thing that the Church is doing.

I have to laugh at your"outrage";if the Church didn’t grant annulments under any circumstances you’d probably be the first to complain or throw another stone.(Look! there’s a nice round one over there!)

Your posts are starting to get rather vaudevillian rather than just predictable;)
 
rien said:
I did read the article and you note I noted in my post no one can know his heart.

But on the surface it reinforces the scandal of annulements and the hypocritical stand of the US church on divorce.

If you are wealthy or famous it is quite easy to get an annulment. Not as easy if one is not wealthy. But still annulments can be readily gotten. It is Catholic divorce and, IMO, a charade and more and more folks are catching onto that. This episode is more grist for that mill.
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Look on the bright side, then. Having accepted the Church, Mr. Gingrich will be unable to claim invincible ignorance before God when he comes to judgment. Absent any substantive efforts to amend his past transgressions, the man will face an eternity of damnation. Any charade you intuit is therefore illusory, temporary and unable to avoid God’s ultimate justice.
 
My BIL got an annulment…It took a long time and all claims he made had to be documented…He is not wealthy …Everything had to be proven and his wife had the chance to object

My bil is devout and his faith means a great deal to him, his ex couldn’t care less, and as far as I know stopped going to church
 
redrosetea said:
No I didn’t bother because knowing Rein he wanted to stir things…He never misses an opportunity to bash the church

I have never been able to understand his fascination with a catholic forum when clearly he has no use for us

I am glad you brought that to my attention…I stand corrected…
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Chris Buckley may be Bill’s son, but has as much in common politically and spiritually with him as did Ron and Patti with their father, especially during the White House years.

Like the Reagan siblings, Buckley continues to try to capitalize on his father’s name. Pathetic, actually.
 
It’s a pity I am acquaintance of someone that knew Bill well…He always spoke highly of his faithfulness to the Church, and God, and his good works. He said Bill had done many, many, good things anonymously, and was the first to give of himself emotionally when anyone needed him

He was a scholar and a gentleman, ans well as a credit to our faith
 
redrosetea said:
It’s a pity I am acquaintance of someone that knew Bill well…He always spoke highly of his faithfulness to the Church, and God, and his good works. He said Bill had done many, many, good things anonymously, and was the first to give of himself emotionally when anyone needed him

He was a scholar and a gentleman, ans well as a credit to our faith
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We can pray for his son…
 
redrosetea said:
It’s a pity I am acquaintance of someone that knew Bill well…He always spoke highly of his faithfulness to the Church, and God, and his good works. He said Bill had done many, many, good things anonymously, and was the first to give of himself emotionally when anyone needed him

He was a scholar and a gentleman, ans well as a credit to our faith
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His wife was a member of the “Alcala Guild” of my undergrad Alma Mater. Infrequently, we were treated to have him on campus. He was very approachable, but so dang brilliant, he’d be gone by the time any of us would figure out a retort to an answer with which he had gifted us…

I think he would have trounced junior’s views on Gingrich.
 
m sorry to read this article which looks at Catholicism so dimly, since I admire Bill Buckley greatly as a Catholic. I didn’t have anything to do with his politics.
 
mdgspencer said:
m sorry to read this article which looks at Catholicism so dimly, since I admire Bill Buckley greatly as a Catholic. I didn’t have anything to do with his politics.
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This article was written by Christopher Buckley, not Bill Buckley.

Of course, the second marriage isn’t valid because the former legal spouse of Gringrich was married previously. She is in fact still married to her first husband, therefore cannot have been married to Gringrich.

So ridiculous. If someone was judging my soul by my sins in my life before I began to take my faith seriously, I wouldn’t look good either. And, I would never want anyone to judge the holiness of the Church by my life. But, why don’t they see the mercy of the Church. It’s odd that anti-Catholics want to condemn the Church for various things like judgementalism and fighting abortion, divorce, homosexual marriage, but when she is merciful to a sinner, then the anti-Catholics call her a hypocrite. :rolleyes:

Like many Catholic SAHMs, I admit I live in a cocoon. I rarely see this anti-Catholicism. When I do, I’m utterly shocked…The comments themselves were so bitter and hateful.
 
leonie said:
Like many Catholic SAHMs, I admit I live in a cocoon. I rarely see this anti-Catholicism. When I do, I’m utterly shocked…The comments themselves were so bitter and hateful.
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I hardly ever read articles in the mainstream media on Catholicism which allow comments, for this very reason. The comment section is little more than a continuous stream of hateful invectives directed towards Catholics and the Catholic Church.

As far as the article goes, Christopher Buckley is clearly proud of his sharp wit that he inherited from his father. What a pity he has to use it to attack Newt Gingrich on the occasion of his becoming Catholic. No one should presume to judge the sincerity of Gingrich’s conversion, just as no one should have presumed to judge the sincerity of Tony Blair’s conversion. “By your fruits you shall know them” and we will see in due time the fruits borne of his conversion. I’ll say a prayer for the man.
 
rien said:
If you are wealthy or famous it is quite easy to get an annulment.
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It wasn’t easy for King Henry VIII. In fact, he was denied an annulment.

But I, on the other hand, have received an annulment in the past because there wasn’t a validly sacramental marriage. And I make a relatively modest blue collar living.

I got married after that, and now my marriage is validly sacramental. Since my marriage is now a validly sacramental marriage, the Church has no power to ever annul it.
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rien said:
I did read the article and you note I noted in my post no one can know his heart.

But on the surface it reinforces the scandal of annulements and the hypocritical stand of the US church on divorce.

If you are wealthy or famous it is quite easy to get an annulment. Not as easy if one is not wealthy. But still annulments can be readily gotten. It is Catholic divorce and, IMO, a charade and more and more folks are catching onto that. This episode is more grist for that mill.
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Too bad Henry XIII wasn’t rich enough or famous enough to get hs way.:confused:
 
I don´t know the story but if Newt Gringrich has converted, there are good news, in US, many catholics leave the church and some of them, when they are old, turn to the church. The american culture is very protestant but someday, it will change, I´m sure.
 
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